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Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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Slightly off topic, but at the end of the article he says he is looking for Linux devs and says something like "Send me an email to bla bla at put.as". The domain sounded wrong in Spanish (like bitch.es), and when I visited the website it had a NSFW logo. I found it strange.

I guess Pedro considered it funny back in 2003? Times have changed...

Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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> isn't it a criminal offense in your jurisdiction if you know about a danger to someone else, not to do something about it if only warn them? In America where the NSA is located? I’ve never written “lol” on this site, but this time called for it. Since you’re in France I’ll now explain nicely. Not even our cops have any legal requirement to intervene: both when there’s an active crime or even if they see another cop…

US LEO here. This is not exactly correct. At least this bit: "both when there’s an active crime or even if they see another cop committing a crime in the line of duty (e.g. excessive force)." Cops generally have no duty to protect anybody. That's not their job, no matter what the decals on the squad say. But if you're on duty, and you witness a crime being committed right in front of you, especially if it's something…

Off topic, but I’ve been curious about moving from tech to working in LEO (cyber, fraud, etc) but the FBI/SS requirements around mobility are untenable for me. I’d be interested to hear your experience and any advice around opportunities (in Texas) that are compatible with family life.

Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

US LEO here. This is not exactly correct. At least this bit: "both when there’s an active crime or even if they see another cop committing a crime in the line of duty (e.g. excessive force)." Cops generally have no duty to protect anybody. That's not their job, no matter what the decals on the squad say. But if you're on duty, and you witness a crime being committed right in front of you, especially if it's something…

Doesn't work like that in Seattle. Police actively ignore drug use in the (clean) parks, even with complaining witness. Police point and laugh at homeless fighting each other. Source: my eyes.

That behavior comes from the police chief and district attorney explicitly telling street level cops what they can't police.

Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US LEO here. This is not exactly correct. At least this bit: "both when there’s an active crime or even if they see another cop committing a crime in the line of duty (e.g. excessive force)." Cops generally have no duty to protect anybody. That's not their job, no matter what the decals on the squad say. But if you're on duty, and you witness a crime being committed right in front of you, especially if it's something…

Off topic, but I’ve been curious about moving from tech to working in LEO (cyber, fraud, etc) but the FBI/SS requirements around mobility are untenable for me. I’d be interested to hear your experience and any advice around opportunities (in Texas) that are compatible with family life.

I don't know much about Texas specifically, but I work for a state level agency. Federal requirements can be onerous for sure, and the work I do (cyber) is still interesting. Life-balance wise it's basically a normal 9-5 with a moderate amount of travel, but rarely away from home for longer than a day or two. And even that's only a few times a year.

Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't work like that in Seattle. Police actively ignore drug use in the (clean) parks, even with complaining witness. Police point and laugh at homeless fighting each other. Source: my eyes.

That behavior comes from the police chief and district attorney explicitly telling street level cops what they can't police.

I know where it comes from. And regardless of management, my observations are counter to the parent comment, claiming an LEO would be fired for ignoring violent crime.

Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> isn't it a criminal offense in your jurisdiction if you know about a danger to someone else, not to do something about it if only warn them? In America where the NSA is located? I’ve never written “lol” on this site, but this time called for it. Since you’re in France I’ll now explain nicely. Not even our cops have any legal requirement to intervene: both when there’s an active crime or even if they see another cop…

US LEO here. This is not exactly correct. At least this bit: "both when there’s an active crime or even if they see another cop committing a crime in the line of duty (e.g. excessive force)." Cops generally have no duty to protect anybody. That's not their job, no matter what the decals on the squad say. But if you're on duty, and you witness a crime being committed right in front of you, especially if it's something…

"Anyone finds out" means "it gets press".

There's a case working its way through the courts where LEOs disarmed someone at the behest of some thugs and then watched him get beat to death by said thugs.

The LEOs are arguing that they had no duty and that they're not responsible for the consequences of said disarming.

Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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post #10

> I made local presentations at 0xOpoSec and BSidesLisbon but those slides were never published for obvious reasons (aka live implants all over the Internet). I don't understand. Or does this mean because the malware was being used you refused to publish documentation about it? Because you think people targeted by nation states are evil? Intelligence services are the worst terrorist organizations, and most people tar…

Live implants, means if they published you or I can access the implants and therefore the victims' systems.

But the victims have already been compromised by one of the most malicious organizations on the planet. Being further compromised would probably be more likely to help than hurt, as it would make it more likely that whatever the NSA is doing is discovered or disrupted.

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US LEO here. This is not exactly correct. At least this bit: "both when there’s an active crime or even if they see another cop committing a crime in the line of duty (e.g. excessive force)." Cops generally have no duty to protect anybody. That's not their job, no matter what the decals on the squad say. But if you're on duty, and you witness a crime being committed right in front of you, especially if it's something…

"Anyone finds out" means "it gets press". There's a case working its way through the courts where LEOs disarmed someone at the behest of some thugs and then watched him get beat to death by said thugs. The LEOs are arguing that they had no duty and that they're not responsible for the consequences of said disarming.

The nature of "anyone finds out" is relative to departmental corruption, yes. But that doesn't change the actual rules. And it should be noted that most people's understanding of law enforcement procedure comes from tv fiction or the news. The unreliability of the former should be obvious, and the latter.. well the only things that make the news are things that are newsworthy and out of the ordinary. Which is probably not a good basis for making sweeping judgements about all LEOs and agencies everywhere.

Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Anyone finds out" means "it gets press". There's a case working its way through the courts where LEOs disarmed someone at the behest of some thugs and then watched him get beat to death by said thugs. The LEOs are arguing that they had no duty and that they're not responsible for the consequences of said disarming.

The nature of "anyone finds out" is relative to departmental corruption, yes. But that doesn't change the actual rules. And it should be noted that most people's understanding of law enforcement procedure comes from tv fiction or the news. The unreliability of the former should be obvious, and the latter.. well the only things that make the news are things that are newsworthy and out of the ordinary. Which is probabl…

The point of mentioning the court case is that case and statutory law are NOT a slam dunk for "LEOs are required to act." in even cases where "the rest of us" would expect. The last I heard, the LEOs in that case were prevailing....

Re: Knock Knock Who's There? – An NSA VM

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In this spirit I've been playing with spun up Firefox instances in a Google Cloud Run. The container is stateless and goes away after I close the page that connects to video stream of the other container in my browser.

For all intents and purposes Google is the civilian NSA, I'm not sure you're gaining anything by creating VM in their cloud!

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