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Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by felipellrocha »

ncmncm wrote: post #30

Stop whining about whining about Rust hype. We don't need to know that your new shell / grep / text editor is coded in Rust. If it's good, it's good for other reasons, and those reasons are certain to be overwhelmingly more interesting. If it's bad, it's just bad, and that won't save it. We especially don't need to know in the title . We especially don't need to know your (embarrassingly outdated) opinions about othe…

Why? People do that all the time for other projects. Why stop that for *just* Rust?

As the guy explained, Rust comes with a lot of benefits, and mentioning Rust means getting those benefits.

Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by SiebenHeaven »

postalrat wrote: post #11

Stop treating written in rust as a feature.

If you have looked at rust, you would understand that "Written in Rust" means something more than just the face value. Written in Rust means that there will be less memory/concurrency bugs due to the language itself ruling out classes of those bugs and that is a feature that I would definitely care about in any peice of software I use.

Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by ncmncm »

dralley wrote: post #25
Lazare wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite right. On the other hand, plenty of other dumb technologies have launched, been mocked, and sunk without a trace (or worse) because they were just bad . As Carl Sagan apparently said "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." And even when the technology itself has merit, it's absolutely true that some of the people who have…

>They laughed at Columbus They were right to laugh at Columbus. He thought the world was 3x smaller than it had been known to be for more than 1000 years. He was lucky he found the new world instead of starving to death halfway to India.

He probably didn't think that, but could not sell his project without getting potential investors to believe it. (At the time, nobody knew exactly how wide Asia was, although travel time on foot showed it was not as big as it would have to be.) Things haven't changed so much.

But he continued insisting, to his dying day, that he had reached Asia.

Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by CousinMicks »

ferdowsi wrote: post #28

Rust evangelism is one of the cleaner examples of people absorbing a technology as an element of personal identity . You have all the hallmarks: - rhetoric taking on levels of hostile zealotry like the linked post - aggressive insertion of the topic in conversations where it is inappropriate - inability or resistance to recognizing faults For another modern example of technology as crusade, see "the blockchain". It's…

Honestly, the community is the most off-putting part of the language. The hype makes it difficult to find quality content; all I find are strange comparisons to dissimilar languages and "I rewrote 'Thing' in Rust" posts.

Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by ncmncm »

throway453sde wrote: post #23

I am confused. Is this article in favor of Rust or does it complaint Rust is over hyped?

It could be read as satire, especially in suggesting there was ever anything good about Java. Java ate the industry not on merit but on a billion dollars of promotion by Sun (hastening Sun's demise, which Java utterly failed to save), but much moreso on programmers' relief at finding a way out of sharecropping for Microsoft.

People today might not know that at the time, Microsoft introduced a whole new "app framework" every other year. People stuck coding for Windows were perpetually needing to get "certified" on the new thing. The New Thing was invariably horrendous. (Really, people paid to get certification as qualified to code for Windows! I am not joking.)

Comparing your thing to Java is not a good look.

Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by apd_ »

postalrat wrote: post #11

Stop treating written in rust as a feature.

If you're not into selfies, you may ignore the fact that your smartphone has a front facing camera. It may not be for you, but other people do use it.

HN is a tech community, which means there're many programmers here. Some people may use X and also contribute to X, or at least want to dig into the source code.

For example, since I'm a Rust programmer and not an R programmer, I'm more interested in "A fast query engine written in Rust" than "A fast query engine written in R". There're benefits of using a program written in a language you're familiar with. One of them is when you find a bug you can dig into the source code, post an issue which point out which code might cause the bug, better yet post a PR. Instead of "Please help, X failed to do Y."

Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by ncmncm »

felipellrocha wrote: post #31
ncmncm wrote: post #30

Stop whining about whining about Rust hype. We don't need to know that your new shell / grep / text editor is coded in Rust. If it's good, it's good for other reasons, and those reasons are certain to be overwhelmingly more interesting. If it's bad, it's just bad, and that won't save it. We especially don't need to know in the title . We especially don't need to know your (embarrassingly outdated) opinions about othe…

Why? People do that all the time for other projects. Why stop that for *just* Rust? As the guy explained, Rust comes with a lot of benefits, and mentioning Rust means getting those benefits.

People "doing that all the time" for any language are exactly, equally obnoxious. (But, it must be said, they do it less.) The only exceptions are for a library, or when the language is apparently unsuited to or incapable of the task.

"I wrote a web browser in Apple ][ Integer BASIC" would mean something.

The natural inference about crowing "in Rust" is that you really did not expect to succeed.

Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by dizon »

Rust could have been a great systems programming language. Unfortunately, it has been taken over by web developers. All systems programming jobs are still in C/C++.

It could have been different if Mozilla hadn't rewritten all of Firefox in Rust while complaining about C++. Firefox dropped from 10% of the web to 3% and into irrelevance during that Rust rewrite and gained nothing. Ironically, Chrome is written in C++ and ate their lunch from Firefox's plate.

Re: Stop Whining about Rust Hype – A Pro-Rust Rant

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Post by rramadass »

ncmncm wrote: post #30

Stop whining about whining about Rust hype. We don't need to know that your new shell / grep / text editor is coded in Rust. If it's good, it's good for other reasons, and those reasons are certain to be overwhelmingly more interesting. If it's bad, it's just bad, and that won't save it. We especially don't need to know in the title . We especially don't need to know your (embarrassingly outdated) opinions about othe…

Well said !
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