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#31
> Engineering First Organizations

> Like Google or Facebook these are organizations where engineering trumps everything else. If you’re not in engineering, your pathway to promotion is limited.

Just browsing Facebook's board...

MZ-dropout SS-MBA Mckinsey etc PA-Accounting and Business studies NK- economics & management, Mckinsey again RK - lawyer PT- lawyer

Not being engineers sure held them back!

https://investor.fb.com/leadership-and-governance/default.as...

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#32
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current job market is punishing poorly run companies. It's too easy to pick up the phone and get a new job quick these days if you're unhappy, contributing to churn.

How is everyone moving and also moving somewhere better? Is it not the case that the majority of open job opportunities are ones other people have recently left from unhappiness?

> How is everyone moving and also moving somewhere better?

Several of us exited a toxic company semi-recently.

For what it's worth, it was common for people to take minor cuts to total compensation. The old, toxic company had evolved to pay well because it was the only way they could retain people (however briefly) through the obvious toxicity. We just didn't talk about it publicly much.

But it didn't matter. Huge quality of life improvement and I don't really miss the extra money.

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#33

> Engineering First Organizations > Like Google or Facebook these are organizations where engineering trumps everything else. If you’re not in engineering, your pathway to promotion is limited. Just browsing Facebook's board... MZ-dropout SS-MBA Mckinsey etc PA-Accounting and Business studies NK- economics & management, Mckinsey again RK - lawyer PT- lawyer Not being engineers sure held them back! https://investor.fb…

I know as many non-engineers as engineers at Google right now.

The idea that non-engineers are sidelined is wrong.

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#34

> Engineering First Organizations > Like Google or Facebook these are organizations where engineering trumps everything else. If you’re not in engineering, your pathway to promotion is limited. Just browsing Facebook's board... MZ-dropout SS-MBA Mckinsey etc PA-Accounting and Business studies NK- economics & management, Mckinsey again RK - lawyer PT- lawyer Not being engineers sure held them back! https://investor.fb…

Board directors are not usually employees.

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#35
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current job market is punishing poorly run companies. It's too easy to pick up the phone and get a new job quick these days if you're unhappy, contributing to churn.

How is everyone moving and also moving somewhere better? Is it not the case that the majority of open job opportunities are ones other people have recently left from unhappiness?

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#36
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current job market is punishing poorly run companies. It's too easy to pick up the phone and get a new job quick these days if you're unhappy, contributing to churn.

How is everyone moving and also moving somewhere better? Is it not the case that the majority of open job opportunities are ones other people have recently left from unhappiness?

It seems like many companies are more willing to offer high salaries to new hires than to give incumbent employees competitive raises.

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This is why my dream is to work completely alone. I still need employment to survive but hope one day I won't Another good quote is "a cow with 2 owners gives no milk and eats no grain" (castilian proverb)

DuckDuckGo and Google give me no results for that proverb in English; what does it mean? Each owner steals the other's grain intended for the cow and the cow dies and gives no milk?

My guess: Each owner says "it's your turn to feed it", and so the cow is never fed. And when the cow does give milk, each owner quickly takes the milk, claiming they haven't got their share yet.

It's like the human-scale version of socializing the costs/risks and privatizing the gains.

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#38

> Engineering First Organizations > Like Google or Facebook these are organizations where engineering trumps everything else. If you’re not in engineering, your pathway to promotion is limited. Just browsing Facebook's board... MZ-dropout SS-MBA Mckinsey etc PA-Accounting and Business studies NK- economics & management, Mckinsey again RK - lawyer PT- lawyer Not being engineers sure held them back! https://investor.fb…

By now they are so big that engineering is not as important. But 10/15 years ago, engineering was definitely number one

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It's a cycle, like anything else. Tech was largely spared during the last recession. Who knows what's going to happen during the next?

Cycles of arbitrary periods are nearly indistinguishable from a random walk. My guess is the latter.

What does this mean? Can you please rephrase?

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#40

> Engineering First Organizations > Like Google or Facebook these are organizations where engineering trumps everything else. If you’re not in engineering, your pathway to promotion is limited. Just browsing Facebook's board... MZ-dropout SS-MBA Mckinsey etc PA-Accounting and Business studies NK- economics & management, Mckinsey again RK - lawyer PT- lawyer Not being engineers sure held them back! https://investor.fb…

Board directors are not usually employees.

1) not necessarily true at all. The board is usually split exec/non exec

2) not true in this case. Two of the people on my list are execs

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