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There's never been a better time to build websites

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Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by omgitsabird »

christophilus wrote: post #28
omgitsabird wrote: post #13

> CSS is effectively solved. Tailwind CSS is the best thing to ever happen to CSS. I cannot imagine ever writing CSS in a separate file and having to think of names for elements. It's also an excellent resource for beginners. I work with developers still have difficulty with concepts like specificity and cascading even though they have been working with CSS for many years. I don't think statements like this are true…

Tailwind kind of makes specificity and the cascade a non issue, though. Sounds like it might be just the thing for these developers.

Yes, and I would argue that many people using frameworks like these never learn those fundamental concepts.

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by alin23 »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #29
alin23 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If opening the 80/443 port is such a nuissance in your setup, I would not bother with hosting from home and I'd just drop the website folder in Netlify Drop ( https://app.netlify.com/drop ) That's what I did for the first few iterations of https://lunar.fyi and it really helped with giving people the right information fast while I could keep spending time on the real work (developing the Lunar app) But if hosting fro…

Hey - awesome work on that lunar page, i know it's a landing page and the goal is conversion but it was genuinely enjoyable to read, fun even. Fantastic.

Well thanks! Lately I’ve been afraid of the page becoming too information-dense because there are so many features and edge-cases I need to let people know about.

I’m really glad to hear that from you!

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by zeepzeep »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #3

I have a feeling that this is the next religious war in dev. I read this article and shudder in horror at, well, all of it. I like static sites (that wouldn't take minutes to build if they were written in a decent language). Adding lots and lots of JS dependencies and frameworks gives me the screaming ab-dabs - it's just adding complexity and dependency. I like writing code, not plumbing together bits of other people…

> I like writing code, not plumbing together bits of other people's code with bizarre config files

I don't like reinventing the wheel every time I build something

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by 9dev »

stopcraeting wrote: post #18

I hate every new technology listed in this article. I recently removed all of my SQL-in-programming-language code (orm, strings of SQL) etc, and just wrote actual SQL in files with .sql at the end and load them at run-time. I am now, when my finger heels, going to do the same for the React. I hate React. I have been using it for years and I have never enjoyed it. I feel like everything made after the boomer technolog…

Old man yells at cloud

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by stopcraeting »

Winsaucerer wrote: post #26
stopcraeting wrote: post #18

I hate every new technology listed in this article. I recently removed all of my SQL-in-programming-language code (orm, strings of SQL) etc, and just wrote actual SQL in files with .sql at the end and load them at run-time. I am now, when my finger heels, going to do the same for the React. I hate React. I have been using it for years and I have never enjoyed it. I feel like everything made after the boomer technolog…

> just wrote actual SQL in files with .sql at the end and load them at run-time I like this idea, but I'm interested to learn how you are handling dynamic queries -- e.g., when you want to change the order-by field? You can use CASE in some situations, but it has limitations. Another option is to construct the dynamic query in SQL rather than in your outside-the-db application code. Just curious how you approached an…

Sorry if reply is shorter than I would like due to hand, but the dynamic aspects I have encountered have been solved by case when as mentioned, boolean expressions on parameters (where $1 is true or id = $2), or in the worst cast just not caring about DRY in this scenario. Also I use json_agg etc for ORM-like mapping to arrays and objects. I do some other tricks too like bypassing a bunch of redundant and slow parsing steps by sending the result in certain queries back to app server as a single text column that is in JSON (this is via wrapping queroes, not manually) so it can send that to the client. No db driver parsing, converting to objects, back to JSON, etc etc.

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by stopcraeting »

9dev wrote: post #34
stopcraeting wrote: post #18

I hate every new technology listed in this article. I recently removed all of my SQL-in-programming-language code (orm, strings of SQL) etc, and just wrote actual SQL in files with .sql at the end and load them at run-time. I am now, when my finger heels, going to do the same for the React. I hate React. I have been using it for years and I have never enjoyed it. I feel like everything made after the boomer technolog…

Old man yells at cloud

Yup that is me. I do what I like doing though, I don't yell at people or care what they do. I use lots of new things too like JSON web tokens, JSON SQL functions, vscode, new JavaScript/html/css features, etc.

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by mjbrusso »

stopcraeting wrote: post #18

I hate every new technology listed in this article. I recently removed all of my SQL-in-programming-language code (orm, strings of SQL) etc, and just wrote actual SQL in files with .sql at the end and load them at run-time. I am now, when my finger heels, going to do the same for the React. I hate React. I have been using it for years and I have never enjoyed it. I feel like everything made after the boomer technolog…

Wouldn't it be better to put SQL statements in stored procedures rather than dynamically loaded text files?

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by ehnto »

zeepzeep wrote: post #33
marcus_holmes wrote: post #3

I have a feeling that this is the next religious war in dev. I read this article and shudder in horror at, well, all of it. I like static sites (that wouldn't take minutes to build if they were written in a decent language). Adding lots and lots of JS dependencies and frameworks gives me the screaming ab-dabs - it's just adding complexity and dependency. I like writing code, not plumbing together bits of other people…

> I like writing code, not plumbing together bits of other people's code with bizarre config files I don't like reinventing the wheel every time I build something

There's a balance to be struck between your opposing opinions I imagine. I would just suggest solving the core business problems of your software in your own code, so that you have full control over them, can learn about your product from the building process, and can provide value through specializing your codebase.

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by shaan7 »

zeepzeep wrote: post #33
marcus_holmes wrote: post #3

I have a feeling that this is the next religious war in dev. I read this article and shudder in horror at, well, all of it. I like static sites (that wouldn't take minutes to build if they were written in a decent language). Adding lots and lots of JS dependencies and frameworks gives me the screaming ab-dabs - it's just adding complexity and dependency. I like writing code, not plumbing together bits of other people…

> I like writing code, not plumbing together bits of other people's code with bizarre config files I don't like reinventing the wheel every time I build something

Exactly. Badly written libraries are just bad libraries, it doesn't mean that its a bad idea to build reusable components.

Re: There's never been a better time to build websites

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Post by deniska »

The title is pretty much the only part of the article I agree with.

While the industry was largely distracted by various NPM packages, the foundation we are building sites on got really nice. And I believe in some situations there's value in trying to use this foundation directly, not via a plethora of abstractions. Browsers are great, DOM API is great (well, certainly provides some really nice utils we previously had to look for in external libraries like jquery). CSS is great. I will write "display: flex;" multiple times just because it feels nice to type that, compared to the dance we had to do a couple of decades ago to achieve same layouts.

Static sites are great. They are fast to build, and they build fast. They are really easy to deploy as well. And they also work really well on end user devices. No single line of JS required, but if you want to have some liveliness on the page which can't be easily achieved by CSS animations, very few lines of JS are actually required nowadays. And 0 NPM packages.

Modern JS web frameworks do solve problems some people actually have. But they're best suited for big corporate style webdev. For personal projects I prefer something more… artisanal? Dunno, it's like building a piece of furniture yourself instead of buying one from IKEA. Probably less practical, but feels nice. And may actually fit better in this one weird corner you have.

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