My Lexus (owned by Toyota) costs more than that per month, iirc. I refuse to pay it.
Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
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Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#32was posted here sometime ago: The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please." He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you." "I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you boug…
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Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#33BMW tried to add a subscription for iOS CarPlay. Seems they had enough backlash that they canceled it. Total bullshit they would even try that.
I decided that day to never consider BMW. If they can do it once they can do it again
Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#34was posted here sometime ago: The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please." He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you." "I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you boug…
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Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#35That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…
If the Apple Car actually materializes, I fear this will become the new standard. All cars come with all bells and whistles, but you have to pay monthly fees in order for them to function.
- Want heated seats? $1/month
- Want remote lock/unlock? $2/month
- Want to remove rate limiting? $5/month
- Want GPS in your car? $10/month
- Want to use your "frunk"? $10/month
- Want Apple CarPlay? $15/month
- Want to activate heads up display (windshield)? $5/month
- Want autonomous driving? $20/month
- Want to update your car's computer? $199 per update
- ...
- Want all the features in your car? "low cost" of $49.99 per month (bundled)
Apple will be seen as a visionary for optimizing the car manufacturing process (no more designing for multiple types of configuration types, can buy all parts in bulk, ...). Public will buy into it because the cost of the car is significantly less than their competition. But the true cost of ownership (will all features activated) is actually equivalent to the cost of their competition.
Don't forget to buy an Apple Car Care+ warranty ("only $4999.99, will be included if you finance with Apple Card")!
Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#36And the toxic trend of corporate short-term-ism continues...
This is clearly set up as a gotcha with a 3 year/10 year "trial" included, then suddenly $80(!) a year. The irony is that both periods are right around the time different demographics start to consider a new vehicle, and Toyota has just pulled this nonsense.
You may be thinking $80/year isn't so bad if it includes breakdown coverage/SOS button, but you'd be mistaken. The $80/year is ONLY for their "Remote Connect" service (app stuff, remote lock/unlock/start and notifications), you also need to pay another $80/year for "Safety Connect" (breakdown, SOS, stolen vehicle location), "Wi-Fi Connect" starting at $420/year for 2GB, and "Destination Assist" for $80/year.
So you could be paying $660 per year OR MORE for your Toyota vehicle subscriptions alone.
edited/fixed: "per year" now, instead of a confusing mix of per month and per year. Also, originally miscalculated the per year total and mislabelled it on top (was "$275 per month" which is double-wrong).
Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#37That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#38The solution is to vote with your wallet. These days consumers are pretty weak willed though and are willing to put up with almost any level of abuse for their shiny new toy. Look at what consumers are willing to (overpay) for during the pandemic as an example of that. $500 NVIDIA graphics cards going for $2000... Eventually people fed up with it will "jailbreak" their cars like the farmers did with John Deere tracto…
Like in politics, voting with your wallet only works if alternatives are available.
Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#39Honda charges something like US$15 for a CR2032 for the key fob.
The person who was dealing with my car was too embarrassed to charge me, so I got it for free. Still, it makes me want to rethink my relationship with Honda.
It seems that Toyota might not be the way either.
Re: Toyota owners have to pay $8/month to keep using their key fob for remote start
#40That is just bullshit. A $8/mo charge for a app based remote start? I could live with that. Servers need power, the app needs updates etc. A $8/mo charge for something which does not incur costs for Toyota? Hell no. It seems like bit by bit - every single industry is going down a fucked up route. TVs with built in ads? Cars with pay-by-month features? DRM locked coffee machines? I really hope, there is some sort of e…
There were people in a thread on Reddit saying they have cars with $40/month of subscription services. That seems absolutely insane to me.
My family buys used cars, usually in the 3-5 year old range, we do our own repair work, and drive everything for 10-15 years. It's usually close to 15 than 10. We drive them until they drop.
I figured it out one day and the lifetime TCO has been about $100/month per vehicle.
We really, really need legislation that says advertised features can't require an ongoing subscription. The whole scheme of giving the original buyer a "free trial" that lasts long enough that they'll sell the vehicle is just a tactic to seek rent in the secondhand market. The thing is, there are a lot of people buying second hand because they don't have money to waste.
How do you pull yourself up by the bootstraps if the bootstraps require a subscription you can't afford?