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Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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One thing I've noticed is that if I talk about the stuff in tech I'm passionate about - people tend not to give a shit. If I talk about the things I dislike, I am flooded with imaginary internet points.

The cynics are reading & commenting, the optimists are busy building? ;)

yes precisely this

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Another part of the word cynic: For the Cynics, the purpose of life is to live in virtue, in agreement with nature. As reasoning creatures, people can gain happiness by rigorous training and by living in a way which is natural for themselves, rejecting all conventional desires for wealth, power, and fame, and even flouting conventions openly and derisively in public. Instead, they were to lead a simple life free from…

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Another good quote for the OP is Miguel De Cervantes, author if Don Quixote: "there is madness in too much sanity, and the greatest madness of all is to see things as they are instead of as they should be". He would know: Cervantes killed a rival on a duel at 17 and fled to sea. They were attacked by pirates and he fought well before getting his hand blown off and taken prisoner. He lived in captivity but befriended…

OP here, thanks a lot for sharing this enlightening story. Your last paragraph remind me also of the Viktor Frankl's "Man Search For Meaning" where the change in outlook was a difference between persevering and perishing in the camps.

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Steve Yeggie's Note from the Magic Bus[1] is a decade old, & rambles through the particulars of the day, but it's still the canonical read on how you predispose yourself, on whether you opt into belief or disbelief. It's lessons have stuck with me for a long time. There's a lot of concern & fear & doubt, skepticism about the corporate environment, about other engineers, and the skepticism is all so due; there's a res…

This is strange to me. I feel like I am very cynical about the business, but I have almost no ill will toward other programmers or their approaches at all. For me the issue is looking up the managemet chain, or outside at the effects of my changes. I can safely say that I have never as a programmer implemented a feature that I thought made anyone's life better. My software has consistently turned the screws in on peo…

> I can safely say that I have never as a programmer implemented a feature that I thought made anyone's life better. My software has consistently turned the screws in on people's lives, either in their work life by making monotonous internal tools or in their personal life by removing autonomy and choice. I take magicians and turn them into mechanical Turks. I take people and turn them into consumers/users/addicts.

Shouldn't you take a systemic approach? Individuals can do lots of things, but until it turns systemic, is there a reason to adopt this negativity-first mindset? (And even then, I think OP makes a good case for why one shouldn't.) Kids were shitty to me in middle school, but I don't think I should indemnify all of humanity because of that.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is strange to me. I feel like I am very cynical about the business, but I have almost no ill will toward other programmers or their approaches at all. For me the issue is looking up the managemet chain, or outside at the effects of my changes. I can safely say that I have never as a programmer implemented a feature that I thought made anyone's life better. My software has consistently turned the screws in on peo…

> I can safely say that I have never as a programmer implemented a feature that I thought made anyone's life better. My software has consistently turned the screws in on people's lives, either in their work life by making monotonous internal tools or in their personal life by removing autonomy and choice. I take magicians and turn them into mechanical Turks. I take people and turn them into consumers/users/addicts. S…

Why would I take a systemic approach to my own singular life? I make art now, and I get a lot of joy in it. The path out wasn’t to change myself but to remove myself from what I found to be soulless work.

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I don't think cynicism is just about stasis, but about spotting when optimistic messages are hiding a power-grabbing scheme of some kind. Or just being willing to 'follow the money', and look behind the curtain, etc. Plenty of new things are important developments, even when there are selfish actors behind them. But also plenty of new things are just scams.

Is that really cynicism? If you are willing to look behind the curtain or follow the money, you must believe there's a chance that some optimistic messages are actually honest, right? Otherwise, why bother looking?

The viewpoint that says "why bother looking" is cynicism, I think. This is the viewpoint that says "all optimistic messages are power grabbing schemes." And it is a really disempowering and hopeless way of viewing the world.

I think it is better to keep looking behind the curtain. There's got to be something good back there.

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When you’ve been scammed, disappointed, heartbroken, cheated out, beaten up too many times in life, you will approach new things with cynicism.

So many times things in life do not live up to expectations. Often you think you’re interacting with someone but really you’re just interacting with their ego, there is no genuine connection. They build up a rapport with you so they could later cash in on their influence and make you hand over what they really want.

The general incompetence of society, the proud ignorance of people who have dug themselves into holes, it makes you look like an asshole for not fitting in, just for minding your own business and doing what’s best for you. How can one not be a cynic in this kind of world? Everything new you come across is likely to disappoint.

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the #1 advice I would give to a young engineer entering their career is to do everything they can to avoid becoming cynical. technology has cycles, but it also moves forward. it's a helix. most people who churn through a few cycles end up becoming cynical, failing to see the orthogonal dimension of progress. how to avoid cynicism? the primary way is to remove cynics from your life, and add optimists. second to that,…

One thing I've noticed is that if I talk about the stuff in tech I'm passionate about - people tend not to give a shit. If I talk about the things I dislike, I am flooded with imaginary internet points.

Yes, that's the worst thing about social media.

Now, here are some other things I hate about it...

Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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Ah, yes. Another "guru" confusing skepticism with cynicism.

People are usually resistant to change, because 95% of ideas to change something are laughably bad, or not well thought out.

If you find yourself talking to too many "cynics", then the problem is you! Propose better ideas, that don't sound ridiculous or too far-fetched. Present them with a detailed plan to achieve win-win goals.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can safely say that I have never as a programmer implemented a feature that I thought made anyone's life better. My software has consistently turned the screws in on people's lives, either in their work life by making monotonous internal tools or in their personal life by removing autonomy and choice. I take magicians and turn them into mechanical Turks. I take people and turn them into consumers/users/addicts. S…

Why would I take a systemic approach to my own singular life? I make art now, and I get a lot of joy in it. The path out wasn’t to change myself but to remove myself from what I found to be soulless work.

> The path out wasn’t to change myself but to remove myself from what I found to be soulless work.

These aren't mutually exclusive. It's possible for something to be bad _for you_ but not be bad _for everyone_, especially if there are particular circumstances around you that cause the experience to be bad. It's like deciding never to date again after a bad relationship (which certainly has crossed the minds of friends of mine). It's not about changing yourself, it's about keeping an open mind.

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