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Re: E-Shotgun

#31

I REALLY doubt the "Good stopping effect". That's the same as the flashlights with "intruder stopping" strobe. They claim 16J. Well, a typical - Germany Legal - Airsoft gun has 7.5J, so we're talking about toy-level of energy. Now, looking at some 9mm ammo, you have around 500-570J depending on type - Ball vs. Hollow Point. Yeah, it's very clear to me, what I want to use if I have to defend myself.

A 50-100k lumen flashlight would be a better defense, cost less, and possibly be more fun (for night fishing, too!)

LED flashlights don't go up to 100k lumens to my knowledge.

If you need extreme intensity, you'll have to use a solid state laser.

A 10w handheld laser would be an effective defense, but you should wear bandstop glasses at the laser frequency. A beam spreader would also make it easier to aim and still nearly as effective.

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A 50-100k lumen flashlight would be a better defense, cost less, and possibly be more fun (for night fishing, too!)

LED flashlights don't go up to 100k lumens to my knowledge. If you need extreme intensity, you'll have to use a solid state laser. A 10w handheld laser would be an effective defense, but you should wear bandstop glasses at the laser frequency. A beam spreader would also make it easier to aim and still nearly as effective.

This little fella here: https://www.imalentlight.com/imalent-ms18-led-flashlight-cre...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

LED flashlights don't go up to 100k lumens to my knowledge. If you need extreme intensity, you'll have to use a solid state laser. A 10w handheld laser would be an effective defense, but you should wear bandstop glasses at the laser frequency. A beam spreader would also make it easier to aim and still nearly as effective.

This little fella here: https://www.imalentlight.com/imalent-ms18-led-flashlight-cre...

Strobing it at an intruder would possibly take them down. Epileptic criminals would be screwed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_incapacitator

$600 isn't too bad, could do wonders for noisy neighbors, too!

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#34
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 50-100k lumen flashlight would be a better defense, cost less, and possibly be more fun (for night fishing, too!)

LED flashlights don't go up to 100k lumens to my knowledge. If you need extreme intensity, you'll have to use a solid state laser. A 10w handheld laser would be an effective defense, but you should wear bandstop glasses at the laser frequency. A beam spreader would also make it easier to aim and still nearly as effective.

Somehow I feel it's more humane to kill an intruder than to blind him.

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#35
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| It's a toy. An extremely dangerous toy.

Not really. 16J is a slightly overpowered paintball gun.

It does matter what projectile is made from and it's shape. Something automatic with some good cameras and AI driven that targets only soft parts of the body could do some nice damage.

Human body has amazing resistance to blunt force and lacerations. Piercing damage - very little could fuck you up very badly. Arteries, kidneys, eyes.

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#36
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Electric coil, non-lethal, defense weapon. DemolitionRanch video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izW1X2555Wg

I would not consider this a self defense weapon. This will probably just irritate the attacker for a second. Advertising this for self-defense is rather reckless, considering that people may rely on that.

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#37

Yeah…sorry. If someone breaks into my house, they’re getting a bit more than 16J pointed their way.

Many Americans (uniformed or not) like yourself really do have a bloodlust about them. Just itching for the day when they can legally get away with shooting somebody.

This discusion of de-escalation tactics (ridiculed by a US deligation) is rather enlightening.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/rcglza/us_delegat...

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#39
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Electric coil, non-lethal, defense weapon. DemolitionRanch video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izW1X2555Wg

I would not consider this a self defense weapon. This will probably just irritate the attacker for a second. Advertising this for self-defense is rather reckless, considering that people may rely on that.

It's pretty powerful and fires darn rapidly, those pellets are gonna hurt a lot. They penetrated a 2l plastic bottle, probably take your eye out ...

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#40
I don't have a lot to say about the functionality or specifications here, but I feel like there's a new conceptual issue raised by non-lethal, or notionally non-lethal weapons.

Constitutional arguments are about the right to self-defense. That's not necessarily the same as killing someone, and you don't necessarily have a right to killing in and of itself, but only as a means to an end for self-defense. I suppose it depends on what flavor of defense of the second amendment you favor, but it seems like self-defense can be associated with incapacitation, need not necessarily depend on the capability of killing.

If that's true, access to weapons for the purpose of self-defense that aren't capable of killing would seem to open up a lot of possibilities for regulating traditional firearms. If (I said if!) there are equally effective alternatives for the purpose of self-defense, then that constitutional right can be satisfied without the need for traditional firearms that are capable of killing.

Insofar as they can replace traditional firearms, I find that promising, but obviously this brings a fair amount of unintended complexity; for instance non-lethal self defense may open up entirely new dimensions of cruel maiming and non-lethal suffering, it's may create complexities relating to whether something's actually non-lethal, it may have an effect of increasing the sum total of use of force by introducing non-lethal force into lower and lower stakes situations leading to a net increase of physical coercion, and there may be cultural resistance to the idea ever becoming mainstream because it would be too reformist and therefore liberal.

I think these all have to be navigated, but I think the trade-off is worth considering. I also think that strong gun regulation is worth considering, and personally just don't endorse wide distribution of guns in any form whatsoever, so I consider this a workaround peculiar to the culture of America.

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