They are going to lose 1/3 of revenue. Now NBA and Xohn Xhina on the other hand.
Steve Simon announces WTA’s decision to suspend tournaments in China
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#32Kudos! As oblivious bystander and no real tennis-knowledge apart from how the game is played, how much pressure will this put on China? How much weight does WTA carry? It will no doubt cause some media coverage no matter the outcome.
Step 2: Withdraw all Chinese tennis players. Complain how WTA decision is hurting sport and this issue should not be politicized.
Step 3: Ban broadcasting of all women tennis tournaments.
Step 4: Massive disinformation campaign against WTA.
Step 5: Push the other organizations that are under CCP's thumb to pressure WTA to back off.
Re: Steve Simon announces WTA’s decision to suspend tournaments in China
#33Kudos! As oblivious bystander and no real tennis-knowledge apart from how the game is played, how much pressure will this put on China? How much weight does WTA carry? It will no doubt cause some media coverage no matter the outcome.
It will probably turn into a non-event in China. As long as other entertainment is available, this is likely to be nothing but a blip. People do not rise for entertainment, but only when they are seriously affected in their lives. Or when unfairness accumulates enough that they had enough — this will happen at some point in China, if they don't tone it down. But protesting today (and in the past) is a form of luxury:…
CCP has built a dissent management stack all the way from early indoctrination to continuous surveillance to Tiananmen style intervention/massacre if the need ever arises. Dissent will be crushed before it becomes a movement.
We're looking at one of the greatest threats to our freedom ever; this time they have nukes, reliable delivery mechanisms and a flourishing economy (which the Soviets lacked).
Re: Steve Simon announces WTA’s decision to suspend tournaments in China
#34Kudos! As oblivious bystander and no real tennis-knowledge apart from how the game is played, how much pressure will this put on China? How much weight does WTA carry? It will no doubt cause some media coverage no matter the outcome.
I don't see the chinesse people raising against CCP for this. Not even if the olympics are cancelled. It's well-known that CCP leaders are untouchable in China just like Kim is untouchable in NK. On the other hand if you look a bit to our politics, how affected was Trump by the rape/harrasment accusations? Certainly a big part of population would still vote for him even if the rape would be recorded. I don't defend C…
There doesn't need to be a popular riseup. Zhang Gaoli's enemies in the CCP now have some ammunition they can use to convince the people in the CCP who don't give a shit about Zhang Whoever that it's best to get rid of him. Then it's all up to how many true allies he has. (Probably not many, as a has-been.)
I've seen a lot of reporting on Peng Shuai's public appearances or lack thereof, but little on Zhang Gaoli's whereabouts. My guess is that he's under house arrest while the party leadership decides how to deal with him.
No CCP leader is untouchable; they're all reliant on the support of their allies to remain in power. If that support ever runs out, they quickly find themselves stripped of all titles, at the wrong end of a corruption investigation and risk getting executed in the end.
Re: Steve Simon announces WTA’s decision to suspend tournaments in China
#35They are going to lose 1/3 of revenue. Now NBA and Xohn Xhina on the other hand.
The difference is that that the WTA actually has leverage on China because China loses legitimacy in sports from this decision. No Chinese woman can ever be the best tennis player anymore. The NBA and John Cena actually have negative leverage on China. Both are purely American exports, so getting them banned in China only serves to widen the trade imbalance. China would love to find an excuse to do so.
> No Chinese woman can ever be the best tennis player anymore.
China already struggles mightily in both men's and women's tennis. They don't have any player in men's or women's that cracks the top 100.
Re: Steve Simon announces WTA’s decision to suspend tournaments in China
#36They are going to lose 1/3 of revenue. Now NBA and Xohn Xhina on the other hand.
It's revenue already lost. No tournament was happening since October 2020 already. Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/07/23/wta-to-c...
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who's been at the receiving end of "applying pressure" (sanctions and bombing), it effectively did nothing to harm those in power, but instead only made innocent people suffer even more. "Ideals" are not a constant, and each and everyone has their own. There are values we should strive to protect, but disenfranchising whole nation for the minority (not that long ago, USA had a minority government when it c…
What is this moral relativism? If you want to live in a world where disappearing people for speaking up, heavy handed state censorship and social credit score are all common practices - I suggest you buy one way ticket to China. It’s easy to talk all of this “liberal” bs while sipping your latte at your local Starbucks, but when it comes down to it you know very well what is right and what is wrong: you make the dist…
Re: Steve Simon announces WTA’s decision to suspend tournaments in China
#38Kudos! As oblivious bystander and no real tennis-knowledge apart from how the game is played, how much pressure will this put on China? How much weight does WTA carry? It will no doubt cause some media coverage no matter the outcome.
I don't see the chinesse people raising against CCP for this. Not even if the olympics are cancelled. It's well-known that CCP leaders are untouchable in China just like Kim is untouchable in NK. On the other hand if you look a bit to our politics, how affected was Trump by the rape/harrasment accusations? Certainly a big part of population would still vote for him even if the rape would be recorded. I don't defend C…
Biden would be a better example. Biden made a point to market himself as a feminist and someone who "believes women [accusers]." Trump did not.
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#39As a Chinese-American residing in the US, I really have to smile when white people think they can "stick it" to China. Westerners, in particular white people, are threatened by Asian faces gaining power in the Far East, and so they demonize my country and countrymen and make up ridiculous stories about how much of a scary Orwellian hellhole China is. And of course they indulge in their white savior narrative and try…
I’m not white and I don’t believe it’s right that a woman should be politically silenced for speaking out about sexual abuse she encountered. Perhaps not everything is about ‘sticking it’ to your homeland.
Re: Steve Simon announces WTA’s decision to suspend tournaments in China
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see the chinesse people raising against CCP for this. Not even if the olympics are cancelled. It's well-known that CCP leaders are untouchable in China just like Kim is untouchable in NK. On the other hand if you look a bit to our politics, how affected was Trump by the rape/harrasment accusations? Certainly a big part of population would still vote for him even if the rape would be recorded. I don't defend C…
> I don't see the chinesse people raising against CCP for this. There doesn't need to be a popular riseup. Zhang Gaoli's enemies in the CCP now have some ammunition they can use to convince the people in the CCP who don't give a shit about Zhang Whoever that it's best to get rid of him. Then it's all up to how many true allies he has. (Probably not many, as a has-been.) I've seen a lot of reporting on Peng Shuai's pu…
But they would probably mention that because this has become such a hot topic: "investigations into Peng's accusations are ongoing" should not be such a hard thing to mutter out.
But even if they did do something proper yet invisible, the obvious pressure on Peng to withdraw her claims and act as if nothing happened are alarming. As is the attempt to rewrite history of the case. They did not even make her say something like "I was under duress/drunk/whatever" or "somebody else stole my phone and wrote that": there is obviously some respect for her public stature, but the main concern is with "health of the nation". By making it all a lie.