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Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by dcminter »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #12
nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

I was reporting a lot of bugs to them initially, but so many of them were ignored that I can’t force myself to do this anymore. I’m still paying for IDEA Ultimate, but it's only because I’m waiting for a better IDE with a more fair subscription system (when I cancel the subscription that was at least 1 year long, I should have the LATEST version I’ve paid for, not the first one). I will try Feet, of course, but I hav…

I have a subscription to ultimate. Its terms seem quite fair to me - you're effectively buying a specific version (the one you get to keep) and paying for it in instalments over the year. Until your new subscription starts you have not paid for those interim releases. They send conspicuous renewal email notices well ahead of making renewal charges which is more than most recurring subscriptions of all types provide.

So personally I'm willing to extend some trust to IntelliJ.

As a product it's quite pleasant to use. For Java development it strangely lacks quite a few of the nicer features of Eclipse, but its good quality support for so many different languages (e.g. for Rust) compensates for that.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by EugeneOZ »

fps_doug wrote: post #29
nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

The only language I ever really use IntelliJ for is PHP, and apart from minor issues that usually get fixed within one or two updates it's fantastic. Maybe I got lucky here, or maybe it's because every other IDE for PHP is next to useless, so it's easy for IntelliJ to shine.

There is no better IDE, but it doesn't mean this one is perfect.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by indemnity »

Can it finally do something like .vscode/settings.json so that everyone on the team doesn’t have to do manual setup steps or download a settings file from somewhere?

Opening a project should bring with it all of the conventions for working on that project, along with plugins also.

Bonus points for auto format on save and other style enforcement tools to remove pointless nit picking from the PR process and focus on the intent.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

indemnity wrote: post #33

Can it finally do something like .vscode/settings.json so that everyone on the team doesn’t have to do manual setup steps or download a settings file from somewhere? Opening a project should bring with it all of the conventions for working on that project, along with plugins also. Bonus points for auto format on save and other style enforcement tools to remove pointless nit picking from the PR process and focus on th…

Check https://editorconfig.org/

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by thisgoodlife »

denofevil wrote: post #30
jpe90 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that you would use Rust for those operations since the JVM was already presumably giving you cross-platform implementations. Was that a significant performance bottleneck that got alleviated by using Rust, or was there another reason?

Whole architecture of Fleet is distributed, so we need a small binary without dependencies that could be uploaded to the dev container. All the access goes through that binary (even in local case)

That makes sense. Thanks for sharing!

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

hhariri wrote: post #8
nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

This bug is quite telling: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-276949 It is marked as fixed but it is not yet released. If you look inside, you will see that HTTP Proxy authentication has been broken for almost a year. Many corporate users are behind such proxies, and they suffer.

This kind of bugs should be utmost priority, because they directly impact the cashflow.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

#38

Post by vladvasiliu »

albertzeyer wrote: post #28

This looks very interesting. This was almost overdue. Since the beginning of Covid, the need for good remote code development raised quite a bit (at least for many people I know, including our team). When compared to VS Code and its remote editing over SSH, IntelliJ was really lacking. I know of a couple of people who went away from PyCharm just because of this. Related reports: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/P…

> When compared to VS Code and its remote editing over SSH, IntelliJ was really lacking. I know of a couple of people who went away from PyCharm just because of this.

What issues did they have?

PyCharm in particular has had a "remote interpreter" feature for a while which works quite well. The text is edited locally but the interpreter and libraries are installed on the remote end. It then brings back whatever it needs for code analysis, so performance when editing is the same as local dev.

The story isn't so great for other languages, though.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

hhariri wrote: post #8
nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

Another issue that hits IntelliJ IDEA corporate customers is WSL2 support.

While VS Code has great WSL2 support, IntelliJ IDEA can not even show proper error messages when opening Maven projects inside WSL2.

See https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-267333

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