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Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by rezonant »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #28
rezonant wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. I can load YouTube.com in my mobile browser, go full screen, and then enter my home screen and I get picture in picture just fine. It works whether I'm Premium or not. I don't need a mobile app for it. What has YouTube broken here? I will say that I cannot use picture in picture while browsing another site in Chrome. That sucks, but I don't think that is YouTube's choice, that's just how the brows…

AirPlay kinda-sorta works from the YouTube player but it is glitchy as hell. It works way better from normal HTML5 videos.

Yeah that's on YouTube. I get why it's hard for them, as unlike in Casting, you can only deploy media types that can be natively played back in order to support Airplay, because you are passing a media reference, not a web page. But HLS is ubiquitous and Airplay supports it, so just serve the HLS and be done with it. I've been very happy with how easy it is to support this as someone who has built a number of web media apps.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by andrewmackrodt »

rezonant wrote: post #26
MBCook wrote: post #16

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I subscribe to YouTube, so I already pay them. If I watched YouTube on my phone or my iPad at all, I would definitely install this. Realistically I almost always use my TV to watch YouTube. So it doesn’t matter. Purposefully breaking built in functionality (full screen, PIP, etc) to force people to use your app or to remove the functionality altogether is a dick move. Something that’s getting real common with Google.

I don't understand. I can load YouTube.com in my mobile browser, go full screen, and then enter my home screen and I get picture in picture just fine. It works whether I'm Premium or not. I don't need a mobile app for it. What has YouTube broken here? I will say that I cannot use picture in picture while browsing another site in Chrome. That sucks, but I don't think that is YouTube's choice, that's just how the brows…

The YouTube app on Android only supports picture in picture and background play (screen off) with premium; I imagine the iOS app is similar.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by lelandfe »

vehemenz wrote: post #25
Orphis wrote: post #6

So they are charging people to remove ads so that the content creator doesn't get any ad revenue from their views? So ethical.

People have different views about ethics. Fortunately, there is no truth of the matter, so anything goes as long as we're internally consistent. I think ad revenue models are unethical. Promotion of extremist content is unethical. Privacy-invading data collection is unethical. Honestly, I think shitty content, in general, is unethical too. On the other hand, I think it is ethical for an entrepreneuring developer to c…

If you feel ad-supported content is flat out unethical, how would you prefer to pay for media online?

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by LeoPanthera »

dmart wrote: post #12

Installed this and it's great. That said, it's embarrassing how many iOS extensions I have installed just to work around today's shitty websites. AdGuard to make the web usable, AMPlosion to avoid AMP nonsense, Open in Apollo to avoid mobile Reddit dark pattens, now this (which I installed because YouTube's new embed widget starts playing on touch-start instead of touch-release, so it triggers while scrolling...)

Don't forget TrackerZapper to strip tracking codes from copied URLs: https://rknight.me/apps/tracker-zapper/

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by tomrod »

andrewmackrodt wrote: post #32
rezonant wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. I can load YouTube.com in my mobile browser, go full screen, and then enter my home screen and I get picture in picture just fine. It works whether I'm Premium or not. I don't need a mobile app for it. What has YouTube broken here? I will say that I cannot use picture in picture while browsing another site in Chrome. That sucks, but I don't think that is YouTube's choice, that's just how the brows…

The YouTube app on Android only supports picture in picture and background play (screen off) with premium; I imagine the iOS app is similar.

Picture-in-picture works great on Android without premium.

No background play though.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by ollien »

MBCook wrote: post #16
Orphis wrote: post #6

So they are charging people to remove ads so that the content creator doesn't get any ad revenue from their views? So ethical.

I subscribe to YouTube, so I already pay them. If I watched YouTube on my phone or my iPad at all, I would definitely install this. Realistically I almost always use my TV to watch YouTube. So it doesn’t matter. Purposefully breaking built in functionality (full screen, PIP, etc) to force people to use your app or to remove the functionality altogether is a dick move. Something that’s getting real common with Google.

If you subscribe to Youtube, that money doesn't go to creators unless you watch them through a means Google tracks, e.g. the embeds, AFAIK

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by 3np »

lelandfe wrote: post #33
vehemenz wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have different views about ethics. Fortunately, there is no truth of the matter, so anything goes as long as we're internally consistent. I think ad revenue models are unethical. Promotion of extremist content is unethical. Privacy-invading data collection is unethical. Honestly, I think shitty content, in general, is unethical too. On the other hand, I think it is ethical for an entrepreneuring developer to c…

If you feel ad-supported content is flat out unethical, how would you prefer to pay for media online?

Remember the times before Spotify? Piracy was the only way to get a lot of music ; there simply weren’t any paid options.

Nowadays the market for buying or streaming digital music has made paying for digital music viable.

With a lot of YouTube content, the situation is very similar today; there isn’t a way to pay for content without simultaneously being exposed to ads and the associated tracking/profiling/stalking. Maybe as adblocking becomes more common, creators and platforms will be forced to accommodate for the change in demand.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by aaomidi »

rezonant wrote: post #20
wand3r wrote: post #18

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>> The removal of in-video ads. > You can pay YouTube for ad-free viewing... not doing so and stripping out the ads is dangerously close to "I just want this for free, so I'll steal it" I don’t understand this sentiment AT ALL. Google has built an entire business out of scraping and selling other peoples content. YouTube has become the defacto host of virtually ALL VIDEO. So yeah, I would watch a video without ads. T…

Completely your choice to bypass it, I just don't agree it's ethical when there is a choice to pay a bit of money instead to not have the ads. I will agree that this does not stop them from gathering your data and that is fair. But just stripping the ads without paying when they give you that choice doesn't seem like an ethical choice.

With all the shit google has done i honestly don't care if people are ethical when dealing with them.
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