GitHub Broken Download URLs • Hacker News Board

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by adeelk93 » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 1:54 PM UTC

_zywo wrote: post #23

Whether this specific problem is intentional or not, these kinds of problems show the issue with using a single centralized service for distribution of third-party dependencies. But it's just so much more darned convenient than hosting your own Git server! It would be super cool if there was a decentralized alternative to GitHub, that used Git under the hood. Perhaps one would upload their repositories to a node, whi…

Breaking changes aren’t only an issue with centralization. A breaking change with git itself would mess up your decentralized scenario as well.

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by donny2018 » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:03 PM UTC

dvdkon wrote: post #30

seoaeu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if github.com tried to host their website entirely off your little home server, they’d surely have 24x7 outages from being bombarded by too much load. All your anecdote proves is that it is easier to keep a single server online than operate a big distributed system, which has been obvious for quite a while

Obvious, maybe, but there are many who will criticise anyone self-hosting, saying that a cloud solution will inherently be more stable, since it has a bigger ops team.

Well, GitHub came back online without me doing anything. GitHub’s life depends on providing a good service to customers. I think occasional downtime is a good tradeoff for what I am getting, as opposed to having to manage my own server.

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:04 PM UTC

yardstick wrote: post #15

intunderflow wrote: post #3

Combined with the outage yesterday this hasn't been a good weekend for GitHub SRE's I'm surprised something like this happened on a weekend though since I wouldn't expect anyone to be changing anything in the codebase (then again it could be some infra has just ran out of storage or etc)

Perhaps there’s a lack of attention due to the holiday weekend in the US? Seems like major incidents in infrastructure and services tend to happen over holidays (general observation, not GitHub specific).

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Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by Semaphor » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

mfashby wrote: post #16

This has also broken a bunch of packages in the arch user repository, for example https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/dendrite/ :(

Yeah, I thought the package I tried to install had an issue, but didn’t have the time to investigate. This explains it.

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by Hamuko » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

framecowbird wrote: post #13

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And does it have an army of highly paid developers and engineers to look after it also? ;)

And does it have a cute animal-based mascot?

Does Github?

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by NGRhodes » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

Causality1 wrote: post #20

belter wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am surprised a Microsoft MVP Certified Professional expert did not pop up yet in the newsgroup, asking you to reboot your machine and review the steps in a certain technote ;-)

Hey now, that's libel. There are problems that can be solved by rebooting, and a Microsoft MVP would never post a genuine potential solution. I'm pretty sure you meant to say "an MVP popped up in the newsgroup to copy/paste a paragraph of random intro text and then ask if he's solved your problem".

You are giving them too much credit, it will be copy and pasted from the post/thread/comment/accepted solution that you have already stated you have tried and does not work.

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by AshamedCaptain » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:24 PM UTC

seoaeu wrote: post #17

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #8

Say what you want about "cloud" reliability, but my little home server in a residential ISP has been up for more time than Github.com in (at least!) the past year.

And if github.com tried to host their website entirely off your little home server, they’d surely have 24x7 outages from being bombarded by too much load. All your anecdote proves is that it is easier to keep a single server online than operate a big distributed system, which has been obvious for quite a while

No, it is not "obvious" to everyone at all. You can still see people here claiming that one should move to a centralized provider since they can guarantee nine nines of whatever, and that self-hosting is way too hard to make reliable. (Which is double irony when the centralized provider goes down and then the excuse is "well, that's because they're big!". If only...).

In any case, the point was that Github.com just sucks, rather than everything cloud sucks. For the past year, they have been down a couple of magnitudes more time than I have spent managing my server.

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by mistrial9 » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

donny2018 wrote: post #32

dvdkon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obvious, maybe, but there are many who will criticise anyone self-hosting, saying that a cloud solution will inherently be more stable, since it has a bigger ops team.

Well, GitHub came back online without me doing anything. GitHub’s life depends on providing a good service to customers. I think occasional downtime is a good tradeoff for what I am getting, as opposed to having to manage my own server.

> GitHub came back online without me doing anything

the Executive Privilege for the common committer ! just keep your keys "valid" and don't talk to anyone we ban

up next -- Github social scores

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by seoaeu » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #37

seoaeu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if github.com tried to host their website entirely off your little home server, they’d surely have 24x7 outages from being bombarded by too much load. All your anecdote proves is that it is easier to keep a single server online than operate a big distributed system, which has been obvious for quite a while

No, it is not "obvious" to everyone at all. You can still see people here claiming that one should move to a centralized provider since they can guarantee nine nines of whatever, and that self-hosting is way too hard to make reliable. (Which is double irony when the centralized provider goes down and then the excuse is "well, that's because they're big!". If only...). In any case, the point was that Github.com just s…

> For the past year, they have been down a couple of magnitudes more time than I have spent managing my server.

I have spent orders of magnitude less time feeding my pet rock than the average dog owner spends feeding their pet.

The difficulty of keeping a service online depends on what it actually does. Not to mention, outages are generally caused by making changes. Changes which are required if a service is going to continuously improve

Re: GitHub Broken Download URLs

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Post by AshamedCaptain » Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:36 PM UTC

seoaeu wrote: post #39

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it is not "obvious" to everyone at all. You can still see people here claiming that one should move to a centralized provider since they can guarantee nine nines of whatever, and that self-hosting is way too hard to make reliable. (Which is double irony when the centralized provider goes down and then the excuse is "well, that's because they're big!". If only...). In any case, the point was that Github.com just s…

> For the past year, they have been down a couple of magnitudes more time than I have spent managing my server. I have spent orders of magnitude less time feeding my pet rock than the average dog owner spends feeding their pet. The difficulty of keeping a service online depends on what it actually does. Not to mention, outages are generally caused by making changes. Changes which are required if a service is going to…

If you are trying to make the point that Github.com is the only "non-pet-rock" web-based project managament and bug tracking system available (for selfhosting or not), well, that is just false. The alternatives have at least as many features, if not more. Some of them even predating Github.com by decades.

If you are again trying to make the point that they have a bazillion times the load, I will say again that it is self-inflicted, and thus part of the problem, and not a valid excuse nor justification. Other providers do not seem to have these problems anyway.