Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

blockloop.io

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 74 posts

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

#31

Post by jcims »

blockloop wrote: post #13
mylons wrote: post #8

very cool write up. i’ve become obsessed with smoking since the pandemic. i’d love to hear about your other automations you mention!

I'm writing another post about my home lab. Currently it sounds complex and over-engineered, but I think that's because of how I'm describing it. I'm working through some of the details so that it - on paper - it sounds as simple as it is. I'll post back to HN when it's finished. Stay tuned.

Looking forward to it! Have you looked at node-red at all? It would slide right into your setup and might give you some new capability beyond what home assistant provides. I use it to run a distillation process that would look pretty similar to your smoker setup. You could add humidity controls, fresh air induction/mixing, load cells to monitor weight and strap those together in PID loops to drive to your targets.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

#32

Post by jcims »

palae wrote: post #28
sweenycod wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an interesting place to bring up the ethics of Thanksgiving given the demographic. However, given my primary avocation is philosophy, I'm interested in how you arrived at the ethical ideology that turkeys are indeed sentient and that they deserve a life devoid of human consumption. I am not a moral relativist and I prefer justified beliefs so I'll give you some context that you missed in your original comment…

Let's suppose that in a country far, far away, there is a holiday called Givingthanks where instead of turkeys, dogs are eaten. Your alter ego in that country could then write the exact same comment than you did, replacing 'turkey' with 'dog'. We would read things like: 'It could be argued that our abstinence of industrial dog consumption is the ethical way to justify the one I eat on Givingthanks' or 'Givingthanks d…

Cows are basically giant dogs and we eat them every day. What’s the difference? Are they treated humanely while they are alive?

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

#34

Post by tofof »

jcims wrote: post #31
blockloop wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm writing another post about my home lab. Currently it sounds complex and over-engineered, but I think that's because of how I'm describing it. I'm working through some of the details so that it - on paper - it sounds as simple as it is. I'll post back to HN when it's finished. Stay tuned.

Looking forward to it! Have you looked at node-red at all? It would slide right into your setup and might give you some new capability beyond what home assistant provides. I use it to run a distillation process that would look pretty similar to your smoker setup. You could add humidity controls, fresh air induction/mixing, load cells to monitor weight and strap those together in PID loops to drive to your targets.

Fresh air induction plus temperature monitoring on a PID loop is exactly what the heatermeter open source project does, which he mentions pivoting to at the end of the article.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

#35

Post by palae »

jcims wrote: post #32
palae wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's suppose that in a country far, far away, there is a holiday called Givingthanks where instead of turkeys, dogs are eaten. Your alter ego in that country could then write the exact same comment than you did, replacing 'turkey' with 'dog'. We would read things like: 'It could be argued that our abstinence of industrial dog consumption is the ethical way to justify the one I eat on Givingthanks' or 'Givingthanks d…

Cows are basically giant dogs and we eat them every day. What’s the difference? Are they treated humanely while they are alive?

Well, precisely, to me there's no ethical difference between a turkey and a dog (and a cow), that was my point.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

#36

Post by sweenycod »

palae wrote: post #28
sweenycod wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an interesting place to bring up the ethics of Thanksgiving given the demographic. However, given my primary avocation is philosophy, I'm interested in how you arrived at the ethical ideology that turkeys are indeed sentient and that they deserve a life devoid of human consumption. I am not a moral relativist and I prefer justified beliefs so I'll give you some context that you missed in your original comment…

Let's suppose that in a country far, far away, there is a holiday called Givingthanks where instead of turkeys, dogs are eaten. Your alter ego in that country could then write the exact same comment than you did, replacing 'turkey' with 'dog'. We would read things like: 'It could be argued that our abstinence of industrial dog consumption is the ethical way to justify the one I eat on Givingthanks' or 'Givingthanks d…

The argument was directly related to the original claim of "genocide" and had nothing to do with the consumption of animals in general. I was saying that by consuming one turkey per year I am hardly contributing to the extinction of an animal.

Dogs are consumed in other countries such as Nigeria and the practice is only taboo in primarily western cultures. This has historical and cultural implications. Like I said, just because you consider something "icky" doesn't make it immoral (see https://www.philosophyetc.net/2004/09/moral-emotions-yuk-fac...).

If you are truly interested in philosophical conversations I would avoid phrases like "you don't see what's wrong with this?", because appealing to the stone (argumentum ad lapidem) is not an actual argument. It's a shell for lack of reasoning and evidence (also known as a logical fallacy). If you see some breakdown of logic then please, point it out using reasoning. You may think it is immoral to consume dogs. Other countries do not. There is no "obviously immoral" conclusion to what you said. Or perhaps I missed it.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

#37

Post by jcims »

tofof wrote: post #34
jcims wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking forward to it! Have you looked at node-red at all? It would slide right into your setup and might give you some new capability beyond what home assistant provides. I use it to run a distillation process that would look pretty similar to your smoker setup. You could add humidity controls, fresh air induction/mixing, load cells to monitor weight and strap those together in PID loops to drive to your targets.

Fresh air induction plus temperature monitoring on a PID loop is exactly what the heatermeter open source project does, which he mentions pivoting to at the end of the article.

Missed that, thanks!

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

#39

Post by bl4ckneon »

palae wrote: post #35
jcims wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cows are basically giant dogs and we eat them every day. What’s the difference? Are they treated humanely while they are alive?

Well, precisely, to me there's no ethical difference between a turkey and a dog (and a cow), that was my point.

Dogs are a common pet and turkeys are not. Sure, objectively they are animals with edible meat. One is raised with the intention of being eaten and one is not. In the hypothetical far away country (from a few parent comments up), if it was common to eat dogs instead of turkey and dogs were not raised, and treated as "man's best friend" then it would make a lot more sense for them to be consumed.
Post reply on HN