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Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

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Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#31
I have no experience building PCs, but during the last decade or so I've been running RPis with 6-8 disks attached. It's great software and noise wise, but the cases were made by me with MDF (and I have no idea what I'm doing), so it's not as solid as I'd like them to be.

Every time I search for rackmount or 3D printed cases I'm floored by the prices, which seem completely out of proportion.

Any tips on cheep/custom computer cases are highly appreciated. Thanks

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#32
post #8

Once you get to this size and price, there’s no point in using a Pi…there are much more powerful options available.

I guess it makes sense as a development board: if you are building a product around a Pi Compute Module you can use this board for quick prototyping before building your own product-specific board. But any hobbyist looking at this should seriously consider the various Pi alternatives around the $200 mark first. Or just buy a used PC.

> Or just buy a used PC.

And miss out on doing my part in destroying the environment? I don't think so, bud!

I buy new everything. New phone, new computer, new car, new shoes every year. You think I reside in a developed country to live like some African? Bruh.

If you don't throw out your whole PC whenever it slows down due to dust accumulated on the heatsinks, you should go live in rural China.

I pay lip service to the "green" shit by buying electric cars and LEDs... Ford trucks and 50W lamps, that is.

I keep my windows open in winter because I have a damn efficient heat pump, too. My fridge has no doors.

Don't be a Midlands faggot, live like a king.

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#33

Please forgive my lack of familiarity with PCI express hardware, but I have a question: All those PCI express devices are all sharing the single v2 lane? Is the PCI express bus a network?

All I/O is a network these days. * USB is a network. * PCIe is a network. * SATA is a network. * Infinity Fabric / Hypertransport (AMD socket-to-socket communications) is a network. * UltraPath Interconnect (Intel socket-to-socket communications) is a network. ----------- People think their internet connection is Layer4 (TCP) -> Layer3 (IP) -> Layer2 (Ethernet) -> Layer1 (Wires), but that's wrong. Its really Layer4 (…

network all the way down

-- Alan Kay maybe

btw, slight sidestep HDMI CEC is also a bus/network, and even SCART was too.

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#34

I have no experience building PCs, but during the last decade or so I've been running RPis with 6-8 disks attached. It's great software and noise wise, but the cases were made by me with MDF (and I have no idea what I'm doing), so it's not as solid as I'd like them to be. Every time I search for rackmount or 3D printed cases I'm floored by the prices, which seem completely out of proportion. Any tips on cheep/custom…

It’s probably easier to buy a regular case and then fit the raspberry pi into it.

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many networking cards? I know we tend to think of internal buses as infinitely-fast, but a single PCIe 2.x lane is saturated at 500MB/s, which begins to look a little skinny once we're considering 10GE or even Wifi 6.

A single NVMe drive will saturate that.

Indeed, the maximum bandwidth I've gotten out of anything is around 420 MB/sec from a single NVMe drive. Add in more devices and you basically divide the bandwidth proportionally. Round trips can even slow things down a bit more.

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#36
post #29

We're like one or two hardware generations away from having a VME backplane like environment where we'll be able to do some truly nifty and nasty things, at home and hobby levels. The politics of getting a standard out that isn't owned by (and therefore twisted to favor) a couple of big companies is challenging, but it's happened before, right? (crickets)

VME?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMEbus

see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-4

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#37
post #29

We're like one or two hardware generations away from having a VME backplane like environment where we'll be able to do some truly nifty and nasty things, at home and hobby levels. The politics of getting a standard out that isn't owned by (and therefore twisted to favor) a couple of big companies is challenging, but it's happened before, right? (crickets)

VME?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMEbus

Imagine something like ISA but 32 bits wide, with a GPIB-like arbitration scheme. On a backplane that you plug CPU cards and peripheral cards into.

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#38

Please forgive my lack of familiarity with PCI express hardware, but I have a question: All those PCI express devices are all sharing the single v2 lane? Is the PCI express bus a network?

One of the goals of PCIe when they were designing it was to avoid the “bus” architecture classic PCI had as that forced every device on the bus to run at the speed of the slowest device. PCIe, OTOH, takes a “star” network topology (more a "tree" though) with point to point connections. Thanks to the use of switches, each point can run at the maximum speed they support (limited by the switches speed).

Basically, it’s like USB (as @dragontamer said). Just as you can turn a single USB port into 7 more downstream ports through a USB switch, you can do the same with a PCIe switch.

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#39

I have no experience building PCs, but during the last decade or so I've been running RPis with 6-8 disks attached. It's great software and noise wise, but the cases were made by me with MDF (and I have no idea what I'm doing), so it's not as solid as I'd like them to be. Every time I search for rackmount or 3D printed cases I'm floored by the prices, which seem completely out of proportion. Any tips on cheep/custom…

its most a computer case(sound of drums) of production of scales the only ones who are mass produce are the ultra basic, the others are design for enthusiastic hobbyist who can pay a premium for their hobby.

Re: Mini-ITX Seaberry Adds 11 PCIe Slots to a Raspberry Pi

#40

Things that are on my wishlist: - Compute-Module should have a unified interface, that is not about to change for the next 3 generations of compute modules - Someone create a "notebook" case having a board with mount for exactly this interface - Case should have a decent keyboard and display without being to big - How about having GPIO pins hidden I would love to have an "upgradable" Notebook with arm architecture...

If you want a fast laptop, your two priorities are, IMHO, the thermal design and making as much room as possible for the battery.

I'm afraid that RPi level of performance in a laptop is going to be underwhelming, though still interesting for many cases.

If there was a widely accepted standard for laptop main boards, like there is for desktop and server boards, that would be wonderful. I don't expect it to ever happen though.

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