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Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Re: Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Post by ModernMech »

TheBlight wrote: post #27
lnsru wrote: post #22

I wish, we will not create world with robots as shown in movie Elysium. I wish we could create a world with universal basic income where warehouse slaves are replaced with robots and people can do something better than picking orders in constant fear of being too slow.

UBI and full automation sounds nice but it leaves you with no leverage. You will end up relying completely on the compassion of your rulers.

This is why UBI is the capitalist solution to a post-scarcity world; it still places capitalists at the top of the pyramid as the owners and beneficiaries of capital. The solution we should be striving for in a post-scarcity world is democratic ownership of capital like robots, so that we may all share in the fruits of their labor.

Re: Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Post by mvid »

TheBlight wrote: post #27
lnsru wrote: post #22

I wish, we will not create world with robots as shown in movie Elysium. I wish we could create a world with universal basic income where warehouse slaves are replaced with robots and people can do something better than picking orders in constant fear of being too slow.

UBI and full automation sounds nice but it leaves you with no leverage. You will end up relying completely on the compassion of your rulers.

Unlike now, where low income workers are notorious for their leverage

Re: Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Post by costcopizza »

lnsru wrote: post #22

I wish, we will not create world with robots as shown in movie Elysium. I wish we could create a world with universal basic income where warehouse slaves are replaced with robots and people can do something better than picking orders in constant fear of being too slow.

Such a tech fantasy. Not everyone has a forlorn passion just waiting to escape once they don't have a workweek taking up time.

Menial jobs give meaning to leisure for many and are another form of socialization.

Re: Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Post by alpaca128 »

RationPhantoms wrote: post #9
epberry wrote: post #6

How can you not think this is great? Freeing humans from menial tasks is the way forward. Remember when people (mostly women) would spend hours washing? Machines and automation freed them.

I really want to shout out Maytag for pushing woman's rights forward. Without all that haphazard laundry out of the way, they never would've garnered equal pay or saw themselves as equal in the workplace. Please. To think there are only positives in this change is a naive approach of the future. Sure, there will be some benefits but we are in for a world of hurt if we maintain our current social structures (at least…

> we are in for a world of hurt if we maintain our current social structures and decimate the working population.

History has shown that maintaining the status quo until everyone's in a world of hurt is the standard approach.

Re: Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Post by amelius »

epberry wrote: post #6

How can you not think this is great? Freeing humans from menial tasks is the way forward. Remember when people (mostly women) would spend hours washing? Machines and automation freed them.

Since automation, almost everything has become lower quality. There's a reason why "handmade" is better.

Re: Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Post by [deleted] »

reidjs wrote: post #28
blueflow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After a decade of working with computers both in my free time & at work, i'm disgusted by the idea of computers walking around, even having arms.

I think that's pretty minor compared to the stuff they already do, such as tracking how we use certain pieces of software and sending telemetry data to 3rd parties.

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Re: Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Post by ehnto »

blueflow wrote: post #26
qnsi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but why? You still didnt explain that

Your question does not make sense. Disgust is an emotion, not reasoning.

For the sake of a good discussion, could you introspect a bit and see if you can find a reason why it might make you feel that way? I think this is a really fascinating discussion worth talking about.

Re: Everyday robots are slowly leaving the lab

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Post by wpietri »

TheBlight wrote: post #27
lnsru wrote: post #22

I wish, we will not create world with robots as shown in movie Elysium. I wish we could create a world with universal basic income where warehouse slaves are replaced with robots and people can do something better than picking orders in constant fear of being too slow.

UBI and full automation sounds nice but it leaves you with no leverage. You will end up relying completely on the compassion of your rulers.

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. It's a real risk. For example, Saudi Arabia, which practices UBI [1] and otherwise transfers a lot of oil wealth to citizens, also is pretty low down on ratings of citizen freedom. [2] Many observers see it as Saudi royalty buying political compliance.

Given that the US is now on the list of backsliding democracies [3], and given the era in US politics where government money was used to cement political loyalty [4], any sort of serious UBI plan has to have a plausible story of how it won't end in anti-democratic corruption or worse.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_Account_Program_(S...

[2] E.g.: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-co...

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/11/22/united-state...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system

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