The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…
The base model of EV6 doesn't have most of these fancy features. There are simpler EVs, e.g. Peugeot e-208 and Renault Zoe are "normal" cars with an electric motor. There's also the new cheap Dacia Spring that has nothing fancy. The base model doesn't even have a touch screen, and looks like a car from the early '90s.
> Doesn’t even have a touch screen, and looks like a car from the early 90’s
I just finished 2k+ california => florida road trip in an electric car and can say with confidence that this comparison is total and utter garbage. Here are the factors that influence your total charge time. 1. Charger speeds vary from 50 kWh to 250 kWh. That's 5x difference just based on what charger you'll happen to use. 2. The energy usage (due to air resistance) is non-linear with speed. Driving at 85 mph could u…
The points you're making are valid, but the article is about a Guinness World Record. A world record is by definition the best case, and it must have been verified by Guinness.
I don't think anyone expects their Sunday road trip to beat a world record.
And the cost? The only thing I care about in cars is the cost and how far it drives. The cost and distance between charges (obviously infrastructure comes into this) is why I don't own an electric car.
EV6 price is in the same ballpark as Model 3. EVs have a higher initial cost, but the cost per mile is low. Even in the U.S. with relatively cheap gas and expensive electricity, EV is still cheaper per mile. In Europe it's a bargain, especially if you can charge at home using off-peak/night tariff.
I’m sure there will be rotation in the leader place. I’m just glad there are now other brands matching the performance of Teslas. Their marketing and brand image, so popular with many people, are total anathema to me. I’m not in the market now but can’t see myself getting a Tesla.
The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…
> My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. Does it? This reminds me of a constant refrain on the internet about nearly any medical or safety advancement, where people say something along the lines of "we survived just fine before". But we didn't. Life expectancy for most of human existence, and right up until early 1900s, was mid-50s. And we had billions fewer people, because th…
> Life expectancy for most of human existence, and right up until early 1900s, was mid-50s.
LE in the US started ramping up around 1800 and increased all through the 1800s.
It would be very surprising that this represent real world experience. Tesla supercharger are everywhere and work well across the board, that is not the same experience with most fast DC charger. I think the the real world experience is the inverse of what the article suggest. Kia and Hyundai will make good competition on the low end
I've driven across the US a bunch with the goal of getting it over with as soon as possible, and I have no idea how you would do it in a way that doesn't constitute real world experience. It's mostly driving in a straight line on open road for hours upon hours. There's little room for divergent experiences. Also the Guinness record they beat was Tesla's old record so even if the test wasn't an accurate representation…
Knowing Musk, I’d expect Tesla to regain the record. Obsessive people want to win, and Tesla’s vehicles and Supercharger network could support the charge rate required for a dedicated run.
Does anyone know how it did this? The article of course gives no specifics. Is it more efficient? Faster charging?
Fast charging. Hyundai's E-GMP platform that EV6 is built on uses 800V and supports charging at 230kW. They advertise 18 minutes to go from 10% to 80%.
Oh wow nice. I wish the Tesla had that. We just have to leave it at home when we go on long trips. :(
It’s hard to justify adding like five hours to our trip. Just have to take the old Prius.
I’m sure there will be rotation in the leader place. I’m just glad there are now other brands matching the performance of Teslas. Their marketing and brand image, so popular with many people, are total anathema to me. I’m not in the market now but can’t see myself getting a Tesla.