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People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by junon »

ColinHayhurst wrote: post #2

One has to wonder why these protests, which happen every week and are big, barely get reported in the media. When they are mentioned many people denounce them as being a bunch of anti-vaxxers. This is far from true, but like so much propoganda nowadays has an element of truth. Personally, I'm pro-vaccine, double jabbed and luckily no bad experiences with side effects. But I'm vehemently anti-vaccine passport. Every o…

> But the vaccinated are being infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated according to UK govt data

Good god I'm so tired of having to explain vaccines to people.

Vaccines do NOT prevent you from being infected. That is NOT their purpose. That is NOT why they are created. The vaccine would have to somehow physically prevent the virus from entering your system. Not a single qualified, authoritative person on this subject has ever claimed they do.

EDIT: Downvoters, you're downvoting fact. Do you realize this? Healthcare professionals all over the world are absolutely sick of the willful ignorance. Your actions are getting people killed.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by tgv »

headsoup wrote: post #20
crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not at all. At least as many double vaccinated attend these rallies because they realise that tracking via QR code checkin, vaccine passports, manadatory vaccinations or you lose your job, mandatory boosters every 6 months, and the unvaxxed being banned from public life, are a huge assault on freedoms within our liberal democracies.

It all feels too eerily familiar to those dismissing privacy concerns because 'well if you don't have anything to hide you shouldn't be worried.' As if vaccine passports and mandates etc would be used for anything not positive and helpful to the public...

But QR codes aren't being tracked. If I'm not mistaking, storing them is in violation of a bunch of laws. If not, such laws can be made. Privacy is hardly an issue.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by headsoup »

sto_hristo wrote: post #15

Here's an idea for a next trendy protest: Drunk people against restrictions on driving. Cuz if you're drunk and evil fascist 3rd reich billgates police stops you, then your rights have been violated.

How about we force gastric bands on everyone instead to stop this obesity pandemic, the death toll is unbearable any longer. That sound 'trendy' for you? Just need to media to drum up all the fear about how eating crap is contagious and you eating less saves the lives of others who get your excess food. Still trendy?

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by stubish »

ColinHayhurst wrote: post #2

One has to wonder why these protests, which happen every week and are big, barely get reported in the media. When they are mentioned many people denounce them as being a bunch of anti-vaxxers. This is far from true, but like so much propoganda nowadays has an element of truth. Personally, I'm pro-vaccine, double jabbed and luckily no bad experiences with side effects. But I'm vehemently anti-vaccine passport. Every o…

Over here we seem to give more coverage to the anti protests than to the counter protests that we are now seeing with people fearful that pro-health policies will get derailed. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-20/covid-anti-lockdown-v... mentions both, but many more words on the anti protest groups.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by crimsonnoodle58 »

plantain wrote: post #25
crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the PDF you linked. Go to Table 6. First and second columns are shown per 100,000 people. For ages 18-80 the cases per 100,000 people are the same or higher (up to 2x higher) in the fully vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.

Isn't that entirely expected with most of the population vaccinated? I imagine most car crash deaths are from those wearing seatbelts too.

The UK is only around 67.6% fully vaccinated. Regardless, these numbers are per 100,000 people based on their vaccination status. They are normalised.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by rbut »

tgv wrote: post #32
headsoup wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It all feels too eerily familiar to those dismissing privacy concerns because 'well if you don't have anything to hide you shouldn't be worried.' As if vaccine passports and mandates etc would be used for anything not positive and helpful to the public...

But QR codes aren't being tracked. If I'm not mistaking, storing them is in violation of a bunch of laws. If not, such laws can be made. Privacy is hardly an issue.

The police in Australia have made multiple attempts to access QR code data to track down criminals. So yes, privacy is always an issue.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by tgv »

crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #18
Febra33 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the vaccinated are being infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated according to UK govt data I just checked your source and can't find anything to confirm your claim. Just take the latest vaccine surveillance report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... and please do tell me where it confirms your claim that vaccinated people are infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated.…

From the PDF you linked. Go to Table 6. First and second columns are shown per 100,000 people. For ages 18-80 the cases per 100,000 people are the same or higher (up to 2x higher) in the fully vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.

So that would contradict this statement from the same report: "With the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with Comirnaty (4)."

The footnote under that table also says "Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection."

Edit: it would also be difficult to reconcile with the enormous disparity between <18 and subsequent rows.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by agentgumshoe »

plantain wrote: post #25
crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the PDF you linked. Go to Table 6. First and second columns are shown per 100,000 people. For ages 18-80 the cases per 100,000 people are the same or higher (up to 2x higher) in the fully vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.

Isn't that entirely expected with most of the population vaccinated? I imagine most car crash deaths are from those wearing seatbelts too.

No, the rate per 100k should be much lower if vaccination is working properly. Yes the case numbers would be expected to be higher (a lot of people argue 'base rate fallacy'to support this), but that fails to address that the vaccine should reduce the rate per population, even if raw numbers are expected to be higher due to coverage. The data is not supporting that.

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by djantje »

akudha wrote: post #22
agentgumshoe wrote: post #13

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I think that's the sad thing about it all. There's a self-righteousness about those who got vaxxed 'for the greater good' even as the vaccine fails to do its job, able to hand wave away 100's of thousands of people peacefully protesting as time wasters or 'anti-vaxxers' instead of considering that maybe, just maybe there's a concern or two they should actually be thinking about. Especially when the media seems extrem…

even as the vaccine fails to do its job, Wait, I was led to believe that the vaccine doesn't necessarily stop you from catching covid, it just doesn't put you in the hospital on ventilators. If that is correct, then the vaccine IS doing its job, no?

Yes, the vaccine does it's job in preventing transmissions, hospital admissions and deaths

But sadly not for a 100%

Re: People in 150 cities globally standing up to authoritarian controls on freedoms

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Post by agentgumshoe »

ChrisSD wrote: post #30
headsoup wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realise the passport doesn't actually provide any information on whether you do or don't have covid, right?

Huh? The NHS COVID Pass does. It allows sharing vaccine status in both domestic and international contexts.

The vaccine does not protect against infection, it only reduces that risk. The pass only says you've had the vaccine, not that you're covid negative.
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