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Re: App is getting 500 server error. Cant connect

#31

I always assumed unlocking your Tesla with the phone would use Bluetooth, NFC, even ad-hoc but I never expected it to be dependent on a round-trip to a internet-connected server. That seems like a really crap design and ripe for security issues, especially since it seems the Tesla customer support team has the ability to unlock cars remotely too.

The first commenter that says they can't enter their car also said their keyfob died that morning. Bluetooth keys work but not all Tesla cars have those. Some cars unlock by phone via the app through an internet connection, it seems. I'm surprised remote unlocking is as easy as calling a number and convincing an operator that you're the owner. Another reason to avoid the brand, I suppose.

> I'm surprised remote unlocking is as easy as calling a number and convincing an operator that you're the owner

I've consulted on on stolen luxury vehicle cases and I can tell you this isn't unique to Tesla. If you know what to say and can say it convincingly you can locate, disable, and unlock a higher end car pretty easily.

Re: App is getting 500 server error. Cant connect

#32

I always assumed unlocking your Tesla with the phone would use Bluetooth, NFC, even ad-hoc but I never expected it to be dependent on a round-trip to a internet-connected server. That seems like a really crap design and ripe for security issues, especially since it seems the Tesla customer support team has the ability to unlock cars remotely too.

> I never expected it to be dependent on a round-trip to a internet-connected server.

But everything needs cloud! I mean you can't unlock something three feet away without sending some packets over 2000 miles round trip.

Re: App is getting 500 server error. Cant connect

#33
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The first commenter that says they can't enter their car also said their keyfob died that morning. Bluetooth keys work but not all Tesla cars have those. Some cars unlock by phone via the app through an internet connection, it seems. I'm surprised remote unlocking is as easy as calling a number and convincing an operator that you're the owner. Another reason to avoid the brand, I suppose.

The keyfob can still be used by holding it to the door like the NFC card, even if the battery is dead.

Yeah, this is industry standard stuff. Nissan keys act the same way.

Re: App is getting 500 server error. Cant connect

#34
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> Tesla would have to be the one who absorbed the risk that the authentication was false and the car gets stolen. Couldn't they just claim that "someone stole your identity" because that seems to works for banks and similar institutions?

Except that this clearly doesn’t work for banks, as they foot the bill when such things happen.

A lot of times they kick that financial responsibility down to the merchant.

Re: App is getting 500 server error. Cant connect

#37

I always assumed unlocking your Tesla with the phone would use Bluetooth, NFC, even ad-hoc but I never expected it to be dependent on a round-trip to a internet-connected server. That seems like a really crap design and ripe for security issues, especially since it seems the Tesla customer support team has the ability to unlock cars remotely too.

Yes, you can unlock your car with the NFC keycards (or app via NFC), the bluetooth fobs or bluetooth phone, with no connectivity for either. The problem that happened last time was that people opened the app to do something and logged out to try and fix it, thus clearing their credentials, and then can't log back in, and cant log back in to reauthenticate their device.

> The problem that happened last time was that people opened the app to do something and logged out to try and fix it

They should add some friction to the logout process. Like a server API call to allow you to logout.

Re: App is getting 500 server error. Cant connect

#38
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It sounds like from the forum that some people rely on only the app, and Tesla markets this as an option. Seems like a big issue to push that feature and then for it to be down for hours.

Tesla also says to have your backup keycard on you at all times.

Im not a Tesla owner so i didnt know this, but i beg to ask whats the point of using your app to unlock if you're carrying your key already?

Re: App is getting 500 server error. Cant connect

#39
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Unlocking through the app requires server and phone cell signal. Phone (Blutooth) unlocking and key card unlocking do NOT require connectivity. That would be dumb, phone cell signal doesn't work everywhere. Source: I have a Model 3, and frequently park in locations with 0 cell coverage.

Yeah, the "can't get into my car" is either trolling, not near his car, or maybe the old roadster had a different way of handling this. I can't connect to Tesla from the app, but I just walked to my car and was able to open the door just fine.

Simple, people probably leave the keycard at home ?

Re: App is getting 500 server error. Cant connect

#40
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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like from the forum that some people rely on only the app, and Tesla markets this as an option. Seems like a big issue to push that feature and then for it to be down for hours.

Who the hell doesn't take their key with them? What if the phone battery dies?

Who makes an app to unlock the car when you're carrying the key? You could also run out of car charge, but youre not worried about that, both you can just look at the gauge.

My phone battery lasts all day, and the internet is rarely down; but servers on the other hand...

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