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Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by blub »

jahnu wrote: post #27
moroz2137 wrote: post #16

A point a lot of people seem to miss is that there is a huge difference between making a vaccination mandatory, taking full responsibility for any side effects, and forcing people to get vaccinated by depriving them of their basic rights if they don't, but not taking any responsibility for side effects.

We have free universal healthcare in Austria. And the state carries responsibility for problems as long as a vaccine has been officially approved. It was possible to get COVID vaccine before approval (off label it's called) but you assume responsibility. Also mandatory vaccines are not new either https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211029-why-mandatory-va...

For Austria they are completely new... And AFAIK there's no European country which requires all adults to get any vaccine, it's mostly kids and specific professions.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by drodgers »

kavalg wrote: post #17
laydn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize, a lot of vaccines are already mandatory all around the world right?

Yes, I realize. Not against vaccines in general. I only wanted to know the extent to which the government is going to enforce it as in whether they fine you, put you to jail or vaccinate you forcibly against your will. I heard that the latter is already happening in Australia and personally know a person who fled to the EU for this reason.

> vaccinate you forcibly against your will. I heard that the latter is already happening in Australia

Wow, the misinformation is intense. I'm in Australia, there is no forced vaccination, but you do need to be fully vaccinated to go to restaurants, events etc.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by pretzelhands »

blub wrote: post #31
jahnu wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have free universal healthcare in Austria. And the state carries responsibility for problems as long as a vaccine has been officially approved. It was possible to get COVID vaccine before approval (off label it's called) but you assume responsibility. Also mandatory vaccines are not new either https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211029-why-mandatory-va...

For Austria they are completely new... And AFAIK there's no European country which requires all adults to get any vaccine, it's mostly kids and specific professions.

Not quite, smallpox vaccination was first enforced in 1939 (I know..) and then again post-WW2 in 1948. We do have a precendent!

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by sofixa »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #14

IMHO this is much better than all these "vaccination ID card" that many other countries have been implementing (including mine), which basically A) effectively forces you to vaccinate anyway (unless you want to live like a monk) B) means I have to show what is effectively an ID card everywhere I go (and I really mean everywhere), and the poor employees have to waste time checking it

Regarding A, you can also get a test every few days and use that.

Regarding B, it depends on the country, in France nobody besides locations that are age restricted ( bars, sex clubs, etc.) have the right to ask for your ID, and it was explicitly clarified that this doesn't change with the Covid pass.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by laydn »

forlorn wrote: post #15
laydn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize, a lot of vaccines are already mandatory all around the world right?

Maybe some of them are mandatory for a child after birth (though I question it because anyway doctors should get parent's signature to do it). But how could you force an adult who is totally ok with lockdown? Cut all access to basic necessities? Make police involved? How?

For example, for childhood vaccines, France does it by a hefty fine (up to 30.000 Euros) and up to two years in prison if you avoid vaccinating your children.

Maybe the same can be done for adults as well? We will see how they will attempt to enforce it.

https://www.france24.com/en/20141009-french-parents-face-jai...

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by pretzelhands »

beberlei wrote: post #6

Austria has it especially hard since they earn a lot of money from outside tourism during the winter ski season, which is the prime season for higher covid numbers and hospitalization overload. Its a desperate measure as they seem to loose at least half of the winter season this year again.

And boy oh boy do they try their best to keep the winter revenue alive. Everybody in Europe probably remembers the joy of Ischgl.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

moroz2137 wrote: post #16

A point a lot of people seem to miss is that there is a huge difference between making a vaccination mandatory, taking full responsibility for any side effects, and forcing people to get vaccinated by depriving them of their basic rights if they don't, but not taking any responsibility for side effects.

Apparently what a lot of people seem to miss is that this is not what is happening.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by kavalg »

drodgers wrote: post #32
kavalg wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I realize. Not against vaccines in general. I only wanted to know the extent to which the government is going to enforce it as in whether they fine you, put you to jail or vaccinate you forcibly against your will. I heard that the latter is already happening in Australia and personally know a person who fled to the EU for this reason.

> vaccinate you forcibly against your will. I heard that the latter is already happening in Australia Wow, the misinformation is intense . I'm in Australia, there is no forced vaccination, but you do need to be fully vaccinated to go to restaurants, events etc.

Thank you. This is one of the reasons I like HN! How about essential activities, such as going to work, school, institutions, banking, public transport etc? Do you need the vaccine to go there as well?

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by fcurts »

forlorn wrote: post #15
laydn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize, a lot of vaccines are already mandatory all around the world right?

Maybe some of them are mandatory for a child after birth (though I question it because anyway doctors should get parent's signature to do it). But how could you force an adult who is totally ok with lockdown? Cut all access to basic necessities? Make police involved? How?

You'll pay a hefty fine if you don't get vaccinated (and that fine will eventually be enforced).

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by sofixa »

roenxi wrote: post #19
benjaminwootton wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess now you mention it, needing a yellow fever jab to enter Outer Mongolia is a precedent. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Any seatbelt analogies for us too?

Abortion would be the closer analogy. Also seatbelts don't require the sort of tracking infrastructure that a vaccine mandate requires. If the plan is a mandate with no tracking then that would be in the realm of comfortable precedent for me. But the experience so far in Australia (not Austria!) is that vaccine mandates are the most invasive privacy violation that the government has ever implemented.

> Abortion would be the closer analogy.

Are abortions infectious now?

I don't know how Australia does it, but the EU green pass isn't and can't really be used for tracking at a big scale. Anyone can implement a reader for the QR codes, and the official ones are open source and just check the validity. And why would any government need to store that information when they can just ask Google and Apple for location data?

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