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Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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Re: Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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The thing is we want less stupid speculation and asset bubbles and yet the economy is running far below potential, with the "tight labor markets" right now just a glimpse of how it was before (and probably a fleeting one if the inflation class warriers have their way like in the 1970s). To fix both problems --- because we need to stop just making ourselves poorer and less coordinated with prudish neoliberalism --- we…

I'm still yet to understand how a lot of relatively poorly paid work that probably still needs to be done, gets done under UBI. UBI leads to people not doing particular jobs because sitting at home on UBI with less but enough money is preferable. Which means those jobs have to pay more, which leads to inflation which leads to UBI raising to keep up with inflation... repeat?

It won't. It's only poorly paid because there's a power imbalance - the tradeoff is "do shit work for shit money, or starve to death".

UBI removes the "or else clause". Which will fundamentally shift how we pay for work - instead of overvaluing rare skills, we will value willingness to do the work that needs to get done.

It doesn't necessarily lead to inflation because UBI doesn't automatically mean all jobs will pay more. There's a likelihood that many BS jobs will go away - i.e. nobody will want to be a bagging clerk in supermarkets, because you couldn't pay enough to make it worth people's effort without exceeding (vastly) the return that having bagging clerks produces.

You'll still have people cleaning sewage lines, because civilization literally rests on that. It'll be a well-paid job suddenly.

That's as intended, as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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How have people not caught onto this yet? When the Fed prints money, its a guaranteed bet that assets go up. The rich use their wealth and huge amounts of leverage via financial instruments to generate massive returns. This has been going on for a long time. Literally all you need to do is throw your whole bank account into call options. Working a 200k-300k a year job is almost a waste of time with how much money the…

Why buy call options? Why not just buy and hold equities?

Re: Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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post #32

How have people not caught onto this yet? When the Fed prints money, its a guaranteed bet that assets go up. The rich use their wealth and huge amounts of leverage via financial instruments to generate massive returns. This has been going on for a long time. Literally all you need to do is throw your whole bank account into call options. Working a 200k-300k a year job is almost a waste of time with how much money the…

Why buy call options? Why not just buy and hold equities?

Why settle for 20% returns when you can get 500% returns? Only the lower classes are so risk averse. The rich understand that QE essentially strips risk from the markets

Re: Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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post #11

The thing is we want less stupid speculation and asset bubbles and yet the economy is running far below potential, with the "tight labor markets" right now just a glimpse of how it was before (and probably a fleeting one if the inflation class warriers have their way like in the 1970s). To fix both problems --- because we need to stop just making ourselves poorer and less coordinated with prudish neoliberalism --- we…

I'm still yet to understand how a lot of relatively poorly paid work that probably still needs to be done, gets done under UBI. UBI leads to people not doing particular jobs because sitting at home on UBI with less but enough money is preferable. Which means those jobs have to pay more, which leads to inflation which leads to UBI raising to keep up with inflation... repeat?

If I get $1000 a month from UBI, and I have a minimum wage job, I'm still working. Because now I will have even more money! But I might be more likely to quit my job for factors other than money - e.g. I'm going to be less likely to take shit from a bad manager. Maybe this means bad managers will start to get fired?

People will want to work, but when UBI exists then people can shop around for better jobs. If the jobs disappear, so what. A lot of people talk about fast food jobs, but honestly this disappearing would be a net benefit to society. If UBI means people have to cook for themselves, and can now, why is that bad?

Overall, maybe if we have UBI then a lot of "crappy jobs" can simply become part of the gig economy, which would be far less exploitative if it didn't trap people into being the sole source of income. Imagine if shifts at Walmart, restaurants, etc. had Uber-style apps. Need extra money? Go work a few, or work as many as you want. Don't want to? Fine, stay home or do whatever.

Re: Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on how one can use call options to make a 200K/year job a 'waste of time'?

The fed keeps printing money and inflating assets. You can generate 200k a year much easier by "risking" it in the markets. You are wasting your life for a pittance that can be made easily in the markets. This is how rich people think, its only the lower classes that somehow think they are being paid a fair wage

I dunno about that. Even if you could make consistent gains, most people probably don't have the disposition to trade options long term. It's extraordinarily stressful and definitely a ticket to an early grave. A 200k IT job is a lot easier lol

Re: Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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post #11

The thing is we want less stupid speculation and asset bubbles and yet the economy is running far below potential, with the "tight labor markets" right now just a glimpse of how it was before (and probably a fleeting one if the inflation class warriers have their way like in the 1970s). To fix both problems --- because we need to stop just making ourselves poorer and less coordinated with prudish neoliberalism --- we…

I'm still yet to understand how a lot of relatively poorly paid work that probably still needs to be done, gets done under UBI. UBI leads to people not doing particular jobs because sitting at home on UBI with less but enough money is preferable. Which means those jobs have to pay more, which leads to inflation which leads to UBI raising to keep up with inflation... repeat?

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Re: Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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How have people not caught onto this yet? When the Fed prints money, its a guaranteed bet that assets go up. The rich use their wealth and huge amounts of leverage via financial instruments to generate massive returns. This has been going on for a long time. Literally all you need to do is throw your whole bank account into call options. Working a 200k-300k a year job is almost a waste of time with how much money the…

Yep. Source: I'm long TQQQ.

Same. It is hilarious that it is more of an index like investment at this point.

Re: Does QE Cause Wealth Inequality?

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How have people not caught onto this yet? When the Fed prints money, its a guaranteed bet that assets go up. The rich use their wealth and huge amounts of leverage via financial instruments to generate massive returns. This has been going on for a long time. Literally all you need to do is throw your whole bank account into call options. Working a 200k-300k a year job is almost a waste of time with how much money the…

This has been depressingly true for my small manufacturing business. Manufacturing revenue is respectable and profitable, but our free money from trading with surplus cash has us absolutely swimming in money.

Of course, it’s really easy for us to borrow money at negative cost. We’re basically making stuff because it’s fun.

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