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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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"Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity" poisoned everything in tech. Honest authenticity is a relic of the past, only the most empty, patronizing, virtue signaling pretenders can flourish there now.

Ah yes, the "honest authenticity" of only hiring white and asian males. Those were the days.

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes.

All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much.

What you're less likely to do is work in an area where your work isn't interesting, contributes nothing significant, and rots people's minds.

I found it interesting that only half their job offers are taken up, that's super surprising to me. I suppose it's possible that people with one FAANG offer have more than one? If that's the case, all the rest of FAANG would likely have less stink than FB at the moment, and also wins on the work axis.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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While this is a trend across the board since the pandemic, for Facebook it is particularly troublesome because it's deeper rooted than at other companies. On an almost daily basis it is becoming more and more public knowledge that Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Young peo…

> Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem).

Is it? I've always liked the perspective that Facebook's product, to governments, beyond mass surveillance, is societal stability (or lack there of).

If there's one company that could almost single-handedly cause an actual insurrection in the United States, it's Facebook. That sort of power doesn't have to be stated explicitly and the mainstream Liberal media spent 4 years stating it quite openly. Nancy Pelosi is a well known Facebook investor.

Any major issue from the government can just result in a "bug" that accidentally amplifies the opposition and just like that, the cause of the issue is voted out.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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post #21

"Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity" poisoned everything in tech. Honest authenticity is a relic of the past, only the most empty, patronizing, virtue signaling pretenders can flourish there now.

FWIW, I think it’s probably appropriate to disclose that you’re the CTO of a reactionary social media competitor when you make a post like this.

Perhaps expanding his hiring pool might lead to his site getting pwned less.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

Not sure about that. I think management and culture would be the deciding factor. In fact our age demands diversity in the workplace and age is one of those dimentions.

You yourself can always put the "quit" in "equity" if your skin color is the wrong shade.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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post #21

"Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity" poisoned everything in tech. Honest authenticity is a relic of the past, only the most empty, patronizing, virtue signaling pretenders can flourish there now.

FWIW, I think it’s probably appropriate to disclose that you’re the CTO of a reactionary social media competitor when you make a post like this.

Sure. I also worked at Facebook for 7.5 years first, and witnessed this performative cancer growing in real-time.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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post #33
post #18

While this is a trend across the board since the pandemic, for Facebook it is particularly troublesome because it's deeper rooted than at other companies. On an almost daily basis it is becoming more and more public knowledge that Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Young peo…

> Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Is it? I've always liked the perspective that Facebook's product, to governments, beyond mass surveillance, is societal stability (or lack there of). If there's one company that could almost single-handedly cause an actual insurrection in…

> If there's one company that could almost single-handedly cause an actual insurrection in the United States, it's Facebook

Why not Twitter?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

all of fang has lost brand power, all sufficiently large megacorps are clusterfucks

That's just not true (well the clusterfuck part is). Big tech dominates the top of the list for most well regarded brands. https://fortune.com/worlds-most-admired-companies/ https://morningconsult.com/most-loved-brands-2020/

Startups stepping into the unicorn status territory are a much better bet. Their stock grants have value since the companies are getting closer to exit, and there's a real chance that the stock will 10-100X.

Your four year vest of $250k could be worth $2.5M - $25M in the future.

These are the best jobs. They can be extremely lucrative, and the work is exciting and palpable. Scaling a company to the point of IPO is fun.

Look at the market the company is entering. How big? Is the company growing like crazy? What's the competition? How's the leadership and culture? And do you like the work?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

all of fang has lost brand power, all sufficiently large megacorps are clusterfucks

That's just not true (well the clusterfuck part is). Big tech dominates the top of the list for most well regarded brands. https://fortune.com/worlds-most-admired-companies/ https://morningconsult.com/most-loved-brands-2020/

These kinds of studies have all sorts of issues. The main one is it's cheap to answer a study. Nobody has any skin in the game. What do you think of Apple? Oh great phones, very nice UX.

Where it matters is when you're asked to spend money, for one. And the other one is what we're discussing here, where do you want to work? The natural experiment of choice is more telling than what a bunch of people can recall about some name that they barely know anything about.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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If my inbox is any indication, hiring has picked back up in the last month. Tons of interest from big companies (Google, FB, door dash, and lots of smaller companies). It seems a bit odd to me as I thought the end of the year was usually a slow time for staffing.
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