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Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by gurleen_s »

ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously.

It may not be the case in Texas, but I’d imagine the vaccinated are at equal or even greater risk than the unvaccinated because they are able to do more (attending events, school, etc).

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by thenewnormal »

It's not much use if the data isn't broken down by age, as that is an enormous risk factor with Covid.

Here's some better data, from the UK:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

The relevant data is on Table 4, page 15. Eg: For the 30-39 age group, Covid death rate amongst the unvaccinated was 0.7 per 100,000, and it was 0.1 per 100,000 for the double vaccinated. For the over 80 age group, it was 117 per 100,000 for the unvaccinated, and 47 per 100,000 for the vaccinated.

If anything, it's more effective for young people...

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by pengaru »

itsananderson wrote: post #17
twofornone wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they take a covid test if they believe they are immune?

Because vaccinated people mostly don't believe they're immune. We believe we have a strong protection against infection and a stronger protection against death, but that doesn't mean immunity. My wife and I have been fully vaccinated since May, but we've had several tests since then (so far all negative) when we learned about contact with infected people or were experiencing suspicious symptoms.

> We believe...

I'm vaccinated but had no idea I had such representation on HN, I believe you should speak for yourself sir.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by dehrmann »

ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> Now, to be clear that's a confounded number.

It's also confounded by urban vs rural. All else being equal, I'd expect rural people are less likely to get it because they interact with fewer people. So...confounded, very. Which direction? No clue.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by CamperBob2 »

pengaru wrote: post #33
itsananderson wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because vaccinated people mostly don't believe they're immune. We believe we have a strong protection against infection and a stronger protection against death, but that doesn't mean immunity. My wife and I have been fully vaccinated since May, but we've had several tests since then (so far all negative) when we learned about contact with infected people or were experiencing suspicious symptoms.

> We believe... I'm vaccinated but had no idea I had such representation on HN, I believe you should speak for yourself sir.

If you disagree, you're wrong, because the GP comment reflects the best currently-available information. Are you OK with being wrong?

That's been the weirdest part of this whole business for me... learning just how many people simply don't care if they're wrong.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by PierceJoy »

walterbell wrote: post #4

From the CDC website, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac... > people are considered fully vaccinated: 2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or 2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine Until 14 days after the final dose, in addition to the risk of Covid infection or injury, there is risk of non-Covid…

Can you clarify why people should avoid physical exertion in the 14 day window?

Also, is there currently any evidence that your immune system is generally less effective during that time?

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by el_benhameen »

ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

Fair to assume those confounding factors. I’m trying to think of things that might confound in the opposite direction. I believe vaccinated people skew older and therefore higher risk of reduce vaccine efficacy, infection, and severe illness. Anything else?

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by nradov »

ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

This data wasn't a random sample so we can't use it to quantify the difference in risk of infection.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by detaro »

muzika wrote: post #14
walterbell wrote: post #4

From the CDC website, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac... > people are considered fully vaccinated: 2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or 2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine Until 14 days after the final dose, in addition to the risk of Covid infection or injury, there is risk of non-Covid…

If a person dies within 14 days after taking the vaccine (eg due to side effects), it is counted as an “unvaccinated covid-related death”?

If it is assumed to be related to a covid infection.
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