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DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by nebula8804 »

larschdk wrote: post #23
Kkoala wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The delivery staff definitely aren't/weren't actual employees. They all have some kind of business entity set up that they use to bill Wolt

It's still an open question whether this is legal in some countries, e.g. Denmark. It's being argued heavily that Wolt shouldn't be allowed to avoid pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers. The competing Just Eat have just signed a union agreement with couriers which includes full benefits, without increasing prices for customers.

>pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers

Wait do you mean that someone like a janitor has all these benefits?

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by deanc »

robert_foss wrote: post #9

Gross. Wolt was in my mind one of the less amoral delivery services. It's delivery staff are (soon to be were I'm sure) actual employees.

73% [1] of couriers don't want to be employees (in Finland). They are quite happy with this arrangement as it means they are paid more. The survey that was conducted was quite thorough and interesting. It's worth a read.

(Just stating facts here, don't have an opinion myself on this)

[1] https://blog.wolt.com/fin/2021/06/23/taloustutkimus-majority...

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by deanc »

shafyy wrote: post #25
NaughtyShiba wrote: post #2

As almost-daily user of Wolt, I'm interested to see how this will impact me. Maybe I finally won't have to pay 3 euros for McDonalds to get delivered for a 10minute walking distance.

Jesus, this is exactly the problem, If you don't want to pay the people who deliver your food to your lazy ass a fair salary don't use food delivery. Go get your own food. In my opinion it should be even more than €3 for most deliveries, I think this is subsidized by VC money and unfair conditions to the delivery people.

It's not just lazy people that rely on these services. It's disabled people too.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by deanclatworthy »

PedroCandeias wrote: post #10
NaughtyShiba wrote: post #2

As almost-daily user of Wolt, I'm interested to see how this will impact me. Maybe I finally won't have to pay 3 euros for McDonalds to get delivered for a 10minute walking distance.

Is 3 euros such a high price to pay someone to bike over to the restaurant and bring you a still warm meal?

Depends on the economics. The food delivery companies take around 25-30% here in Finland (Wolt & Foodora). If the delivery fees were free, I'd order more food and Wolt would get more of the tax they charge restaurants. And maybe the restaurants can make up that loss by having more orders.

Delivery prices are astronomical here. For something 5min away with car (assuming no traffic) I have to pay around 7.90e. For something 1 minute drive away I pay 1.90e. Then there's ranges inbetween from 3.90 to 5.90.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

#35

Post by IanCal »

nebula8804 wrote: post #31
larschdk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still an open question whether this is legal in some countries, e.g. Denmark. It's being argued heavily that Wolt shouldn't be allowed to avoid pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers. The competing Just Eat have just signed a union agreement with couriers which includes full benefits, without increasing prices for customers.

>pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers Wait do you mean that someone like a janitor has all these benefits?

Can't claim for Denmark, but in the UK absolutely. We distinguish between a few different types of employment but janitors would typically be employees and entitled to these things.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by IceDane »

Wolt has been absolutely great. They suddenly appeared here in Northen Europe with superior technology(app, website, UI, UX, everything) than the otherwise dominating Just-Eat and since then I have barely used anyone else. Since then, Just-Eat have been trying(and failing miserably) at catching up.

From what I've heard about DoorDash, this doesn't bode well, but I guess we'll have to see. Either way, I enjoyed seeing the awful JE get pushed off its pedestal and then scramble to stay relevant. It's like a textbook lesson in what happens if your company dominates a market and then decides to just chill for 10 years.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

#37

Post by mihaic »

nebula8804 wrote: post #31
larschdk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still an open question whether this is legal in some countries, e.g. Denmark. It's being argued heavily that Wolt shouldn't be allowed to avoid pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers. The competing Just Eat have just signed a union agreement with couriers which includes full benefits, without increasing prices for customers.

>pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers Wait do you mean that someone like a janitor has all these benefits?

I'm honestly not sure if you're sarcastic. These are all basic human rights in most developed countries, and even in many non-developed ones. At least in theory, regulations are designed primary for the people and not for better business at all costs.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

#38

Post by matsemann »

nebula8804 wrote: post #31
larschdk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still an open question whether this is legal in some countries, e.g. Denmark. It's being argued heavily that Wolt shouldn't be allowed to avoid pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers. The competing Just Eat have just signed a union agreement with couriers which includes full benefits, without increasing prices for customers.

>pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers Wait do you mean that someone like a janitor has all these benefits?

Of course?

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by zpeti »

deanc wrote: post #32
robert_foss wrote: post #9

Gross. Wolt was in my mind one of the less amoral delivery services. It's delivery staff are (soon to be were I'm sure) actual employees.

73% [1] of couriers don't want to be employees (in Finland). They are quite happy with this arrangement as it means they are paid more. The survey that was conducted was quite thorough and interesting. It's worth a read. (Just stating facts here, don't have an opinion myself on this) [1] https://blog.wolt.com/fin/2021/06/23/taloustutkimus-majority...

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