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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

stef25 wrote: post #15

Slightly OT - Isn't it obvious that NSO must be able to control every "copy" of Pegasus it sells? They wouldn't sell it unless they were absolutely sure it wouldn't be used against its own people and they have no problem selling to their arch enemies. NSO's defense has always been "we just sell the tech and can't be held responsible for what our clients do with it" (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode). I…

> (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode)

think that episode also mentioned it iirc ... that the plausible deniability goes out the window the minute they host their own infrastructure.

also NSO Group goes through great length to obscure who they're selling to using shell and shelf companies. actually indistinguishable from how narco terrorists and organized crime operates: https://forensicnews.net/the-covert-reach-of-nso-group/

Unit81, and Unit8200 FTW :(

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by juanani »

Vervious wrote: post #13

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

You cant have an article criticizing Zion without you shills showing up. Be gone

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by skinkestek »

rob74 wrote: post #28
skinkestek wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A more instructive question might be (warning: this is meant to get people thinking, but at least I'll be straight forward about it): Why does nobody else follow up on the UN resolution from 1948? (Just like in the case of India / Pakistan UN decided to divide the area into two parts, one for Jews, one for Arabs.) I can also ask: why does so few other support the single somewhat functioning democracy in the region? T…

Er... you mean the UN resolution which produced this map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... ? Well, today Israel opposes the current "two state solution" proposal which would give the Palestinians a much smaller territory than on that map, so I kind of understand why the proposal from 1948 is not on the table anymore...

Yes, that map which the Arabs never accepted.

Please also keep in mind that Israel have occupied far more land - and promptly given it back as soon as a lasting peace agreement with the country in question was signed (more or less the entire Sinai. And the country who signed a lasting peace treaty and never had trouble with Israel again is Egypt).

Also, please keep in mind that significant more Jews has been chased out of surrounding Arab countries than Arabs from Israel so anyone asking if UN really divided it in a fair way should also have a good case if they weren't up against almost the entire western world, especially academia and journalists who by now have a deep and vested interest in keeping such facts of the table.

Edit: my point in the second paragraph is that I don't think it is fair to demand that Israel retreat from hard-to-attack positions that gives enemies significant advantages (especially Golan) without a lasting peace agreement.

Edit 2: as for Judea and Samaria which constitute a large part of the remaining "occupied territories" they were first captured by Jordan (which was supposed to be the Arab part of the British mandate from the start and which got 70% of the land before the UN resolution which cut the remaining 30% into a Jewish and an Arab part.)

Israel then took it from Jordan in the 1967 war and has been administering it since then.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by Leparamour »

raxxorrax wrote: post #19
vadfa wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could tell you, but I would get banned.

I don't think you would if you don't rely on vulgarism, so please shoot.

> I don't think you would if you don't rely on vulgarism, so please shoot.

Define vulgarism in this context?

The non-PC answer would be ethnic nepotism and corrupting influence through AIPAC and ADL. Jews are heavily overrepresented throughout every circle of power and influence (media, academia, business, politics) and trying to reign in Israel would mean going against that entrenched jewish power block which any prospective US presidential candidate relies upon. Call it a 'deep state' if you will.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/all-the-jews-biden-has-tapped-...

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by yonixw »

rob74 wrote: post #25
ktownsend wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically, this hasn't always been the case, and the US were actively opposed to Israel's covert Nuclear program, for example, which was built with French support against the wishes of the US government at the time. The world has change significantly since then, including the French and American governments alignment of interests and weighing to pros and cons. I'm sure other people here can provide more nuance tha…

> But US interests align far more with Israel, or politically moderate countries like Jordan than some others in the region. funny though that Saudi Arabia, which I would definitely not describe as "moderate", is also a very close US ally...

The enemy of my enemy (Iran), is my friend.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by josh_fyi »

stef25 wrote: post #12
DeathArrow wrote: post #2

Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

FWIW, didn't the US just blacklist Pegasus?

And at the same time, blacklisted a Russian and a Singaporean company -- which are treated as far less newsworthy.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-blacklists-four-compan...

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by yyyk »

DeathArrow wrote: post #2

Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

>Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

Others have tried to explain this, but I want to note that this impression is a tiny bit exaggerated.

The US has a strong relationship with Israel, but there are countries which have better ties with the US, or at least get more from the US - South Korea has a direct defence alliance, Pakistan gets (read: extorts) more money, Britain has the 'special relationship', Australia just got nuke subs, etc.

Also, can you think of any US President which did not have a public fight with Israel since Carter? Excepting maybe Trump, all of them had some nasty public spat with an Israeli government.

I suspect the main source of this impression is that it's useful for both Israel and its enemies.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by yyyk »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #5
DeathArrow wrote: post #2

Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

I think it is a fair question, but asking questions and hypothesizing reasons will get you labeled as antisemitic. My guess is at some point Israel infiltrated high levels of government and got compromising information, and used that to continue to exert influence and control in American politics with access to confidential national security information and technology.

If getting compromising material was enough to set US policy, USSR/Russia would have been controlled American politics by now.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by bawolff »

DeathArrow wrote: post #2

Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

Geopolitically they both hate iran.

Culturally both are fairly similar - both are "western"-style democracies (e.g. representative democracies with constitutions that value rule of law, independent judiciary, etc)

And, the following might be controversial - but many of americas strategic allies do much worse shit than israel, they just get called out on it less. Hell, Saudi arabia is literally murdering people in embasies and still seems to have a good relationship with the usa somehow.

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