Live data from Hacker News

Playstation 5 root keys obtained

twitter.com

31–40 of 359 posts

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#31
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you disconnect your PS5 from the internet now, then yes, probably, in a few years. I would anticipate Sony using updates and e-fuses to prevent its use on any console that stays live.

From the thread: > Can these be rotated easily? > No. We might get lucky.

I'd be surprised. The PS3's keys were leaked too (by the same group, in fact), and Sony managed to put the genie back in the bottle in a pretty amazing way.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#32
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last “interesting” PlayStation in that regard was the PS3. The 4 was just a PC. The contemporary Xbox also had an interesting CPU, also PPC ISA. All successors were mostly x86 PCs. There may be some ARM fun in the future, as thermals are a huge thing now (the PS5 is mostly a heatsink with a computer attached and the newest Xbox is kind of a chimney).

They are x86 APUs with a very powerful GPU and high memory bandwidth. Something you can not buy on the open market to use it as a PC so far.

I think LTT had some boards they bought from China that are very similar to the ps5 mainboard. PCB even looks nearly identical with the ring configuration of the layout.

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1383323-why-is-amd-selling-b...

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#33
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a clever business idea. Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them.

>Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them. Nah. As long as you don't sell many, you can get away with just marking as gift and putting a value of 20 USD on the package.

... and when it gets lost you are unable to claim the insurance amount

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the thread: > Can these be rotated easily? > No. We might get lucky.

I'd be surprised. The PS3's keys were leaked too (by the same group, in fact), and Sony managed to put the genie back in the bottle in a pretty amazing way.

Is there any reference to how Sony re-secured the PS3? All I'm aware of is the fact that they killed the ability to run Linux on PS3 because they couldn't re-secure it while retaining the ability to run a different OS.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#35
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I want to play pirated games" is a perfectly legitimate reason

This is the true reason that I feel like everybody are dancing around. Let's not lie to ourselves, hacking consoles in PS1, PS2 and DC era was for pirating games. Running unlicensed apps or linux was just a nice side effect of true goal. This days it's far less popular because of size, connectivity and prices of games.

For some people your point will be valid. But there are a lot of people who hacked older consoles because:

+ They wanted to region unlock it (this is particularly true in Europe where there is a big demand for Japanese games that weren't released over here)

+ They wanted to run the console at 60hz rather than 50hz (this is true for the much older consoles and again mostly a thing in Europe because some PAL games would run slower than NTSC games. eg Sonic 1 on the Mega Drive)

+ Linux. This was a big incentive behind the PS3 cracks because of the PS3's interesting Cell Processor design. Later the removal of "Other OS" added to the incentive to jailbreak the PS3

+ Media Centres. The reason I've soft modded my Xboxes was to run XBMC

+ Retro gaming. Plenty of systems have been jailbroken so that their owners could play classic Nintendo / Sega / Atari / Amiga / NeoGeo games from the 80s and 90s. Technically it's still breaking copyright laws but given the age of those games some turn a blind eye because it isn't hurting the developers of new games (I'm not saying I agree with their argument either for or against, just presenting their views)

+ Some systems wouldn't allow you to play homebrew games (3rd party titles that are unlicensed from the console manufacturer but granted copyright licence by the games developer). So they're legal to play but the only way to do that was via hacking the console

+ Some jailbreak simply because they want to exercise their right to hack their own hardware. And this isn't just uber nerds either, I've met a surprising number of people who have done it just because they read an article somewhere and thought it sounded fun.

+ ...and yes, some do it to pirate modern games too. But the risk there is always that your device doesn't support future software updates and thus no longer supports modern games online. So it's a bit daft buying a console if you know you're going to pirate modern games; you're much better off with a PC (this was as true 15 years ago as it is now).

As it happens, I welcome the lack of DRM on the Sega CD because I have a few discs that are scratched and thus don't play properly. So I can keep the original discs and cases around but play CD-R copies. I can imagine needing this option more and more if/when disc rot sets in on my other disc-based retro consoles too.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#36

If only people could obtain a Playstation 5 to go along with them.

If you look at sales chart, Sony is selling as many PS5 as they sold PS4 during the same launch period. It's just that demand is higher; the fact that they are able to make as much during a chip shortage says a lot of their supply chain expertise (same could be said of MS, Nintendo, Samsung, LG, Apple etc.).

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#37

If only people could obtain a Playstation 5 to go along with them.

I live in a third world country. What's funny is we have a lot of PlayStations and powerful video cards and top-level processors available. We just don't have any money to buy them. Maybe I should set up a mail-order business to serve Western hardware enthusiasts.

What do you mean ? Here in Hong Kong (hardly the west), an RTX 3080 is around 1000 USD, how much is it where you are ?

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, If you look at both the PS5 and XBox One X, both of them are running customized AMD SoC's. But basically, that's just a AMD APU. If my memory serves me correctly, the PS3 for comparison had a custom Cell CPU which was used for supercomputer clusters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster So they must have had some kind of edge compared to normal PCs.

The cell CPU was something like a dual core with 6 additional, specialised stream processors. I think the closest analogue might be a a CPU with a few cuda cores on the die? It didn't work too well from my understanding, difficult to develop anything that could make use of those streaming cores that was worth it over a traditional multicore chip with more cores. Useful for scientific community though. If anyone knows…

The Cell was a single primary CPu core, with seven SPU (technically eight with one disabled) cores.

The SPU cores were basically used heavily for any background data processing that might align well with what GPU compute is used for today.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#39
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a clever business idea. Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them.

>Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them. Nah. As long as you don't sell many, you can get away with just marking as gift and putting a value of 20 USD on the package.

I'm sure customs officers around the world have never seen this trick before...

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#40
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them. Nah. As long as you don't sell many, you can get away with just marking as gift and putting a value of 20 USD on the package.

... and when it gets lost you are unable to claim the insurance amount

Honestly, I wouldn't be concerned about that. Insurance is nothing more than free revenue for the carrier.

I'd send close to 500 packages a month to destinations all over the world, and tracked items almost never go missing.

For those that do go missing, it's always to a few hotspots that I would simply avoid if selling an item this valuable (pretty much just Brazil and South Africa now; Russia and Italy are much better than they used to be).

Post reply on HN