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Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by legostormtroopr »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #22
gorwell wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Does Rogan run a shop selling trinkets and snake oil? He's a comedian chatting with people and sharing the discussion that you can choose to watch or not. The controversy around him is largely manufactured by a dying corporate media and ruling class threatened by unsanctioned voices. Speaking of being trolled by billionaires...

I think ivermectin as treatment for a virus counts as snake oil.

This is such a polarised view - there is clinical evidence that suggests it may reduce the symptoms of COVID. Its not a full on miracle cure. The problem is that what should be a medical discussion is now political - and people have drawn battle lines around it.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/...

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by nwallin »

nomel wrote: post #6
gilbetron wrote: post #5

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"Joe Rogan is Gwyneth Paltrow for men" is a spot on analogy I saw recently. If you want interesting science podcasts, at least do Lex Fridman!

Since when is Joe Rogan considered a science podcast!? I've never seen it advertised, or presented, that way.

It isn't a science podcast per se, but he actually has a lot of scientists/science educations on. Neil deGrasse Tyson has been on four times, Sean Carroll three times, Brian Cox twice, Brian Greene once, Roger Penrose once, etc. (those are just the science people I remember off the top of my head, there have been lots) He's had Richard Dawkins, Elon Musk, John Carmack, Sam Harris on if you're into them. But it's very hit or miss. He has about as many quacks on as legitimate scientists/educators.

He does like 3-5 episodes a week, and they're each 2-4 hours. So there's a shitload of content, much more than I could ever sit through. When I was commuting ~3 total hours each day, podcasts were my medium of choice, I would generally listen to maybe one of his podcasts per week and skipped the other 2-4 after listening long enough to know that I didn't give a shit about the guest, whether it's because they were a quack, some random boring comedian, or some meathead MMA person.

He is (rightly) criticized for having lots of shitty guests on, and that criticism is fair. But the fact that the podcast is often bad doesn't mean that it's always bad. When the podcast is at its best, it is very, very good.

On the website the episodes are broken down by category, so if you want science content you just click "scientists". Unfortunately Joe is too dumb to tell the difference between the real scientists and the fake ones, so most of the quacks are lumped in there too.

https://www.jrepodcast.com/episodes/scientists/

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by swayvil »

endisneigh wrote: post #14

People need to learn to start forming their own opinions and not being so easily influenced by who said what and thinking about the what itself. Lately I've been wondering if maybe people evolved to be sensitive to the who to make it easier for us to be controlled. Said control can be useful at times.

There's reality. And then there's the popular, authoritatively supported STORY about reality.

Most people seem to prefer the latter.

Truth becomes less about reality and more about power, then. Power is a big deal for most people. Look at popular movies for a clear illustration of that.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by GhettoComputers »

derekjdanserl wrote: post #8
GhettoComputers wrote: post #2

I first used a tool to change the fb feed when they stopped allowing me to sort by chronological order, now my account is deleted and I don't use it at all. They assume you are their cash cow, their captured audience. Prove them wrong. If you doomscroll you're probably bored by it but stuck as their prisoner. I see tiktok as more of flipping through the channel on TV but finding something good randomly, usually but I…

It’s so appalling to me. Anything called a “timeline” that is not and cannot be ordered chronologically is going to lose me immediately, as Facebook did when they made that change.

Yeah it was useless, I sorted by chronological order but I didn't stay using facebook long and used it for hours for a few days every few months to do something, but I deleted it. They needed me, I never needed them, they need you, you don't need them.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by razzimatazz »

VanTheBrand wrote: post #26
gorwell wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Does Rogan run a shop selling trinkets and snake oil? He's a comedian chatting with people and sharing the discussion that you can choose to watch or not. The controversy around him is largely manufactured by a dying corporate media and ruling class threatened by unsanctioned voices. Speaking of being trolled by billionaires...

He makes and sells Alpha Brain and other “supplements” through the company he co-founded Onnit. He’s very much in the snake oil business. https://www.onnit.com/pro-team/

Yeah but that has to be a side gig, not perfect but it's pretty common for humans to not be perfect. You have to believe he loves stand up comedy, loves the UFC, is blown away by the success of the podcast, and generally loves life. That doesn't leave time to get the Onnit topic quite right.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by lotsofpulp »

eevilspock wrote: post #28
lotsofpulp wrote: post #9

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Intelligence implies vetting one’s sources well.

no. it depends on your motives. if it's just building an audience to make money or fame, vetting sources doesn't matter, and may even be counterproductive. sad truths about our current culture.

I guess that is true if you do not care about the broader world.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by derefr »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #9
toyg wrote: post #4

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Joe Rogan sits squarely at the intersection of "intelligent and curious people who don't vet their sources particularly well" and "batshit-insane folks looking for confirmation of their abhorrent views".

Intelligence implies vetting one’s sources well.

Intelligence just means spotting patterns faster. If you're intelligent but "detail oriented", that just means you'll end up coming up with a brilliant solution to the wrong problem.

In a Dungeons and Dragons character, knowing to vet one's sources would be an example of "Wisdom". And I think that's probably the right word for it in conventional speech as well.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by jldugger »

sergiotapia wrote: post #7
gilbetron wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Joe Rogan is Gwyneth Paltrow for men" is a spot on analogy I saw recently. If you want interesting science podcasts, at least do Lex Fridman!

I've seen about 30 joe rogan podcasts over the years as background noise during some dark souls runs - not once does the guy present himself as an expert. if anything he just brings on people who are experts and asks them a bunch of questions. why the hard-on from twitterinas that want to shit on the show because he interviews people accused of "wrongthink"?

> if anything he just brings on people who are experts and asks them a bunch of questions.

But that's a pretty sure fire way to gain credibility by association, even if you try your hardest to undermine it by bringing on holocaust deniers and obvious peddlers of bunk conspiracy theories.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by [deleted] »

toyg wrote: post #4
iaabtpbtpnn wrote: post #3

Sounded pretty good until "Joe Rogan is also fantastic" at the end there...

Joe Rogan sits squarely at the intersection of "intelligent and curious people who don't vet their sources particularly well" and "batshit-insane folks looking for confirmation of their abhorrent views".

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