I suppose he never considered that not all men are the bread winners of the family these days.
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A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
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Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#32The rhetoric is harsh, but I can sympathize with him. I would rather my children see how hard I work (it never went unnoticed), and now that they are older I happily include them in on what I do. But those early years should be dedicated to learning how to be social and nice - things women are better at than men on average. Traditionally men have been the workers, women have been the caregivers. This model has worked…
I'm impressed because nothing you say makes any sense. A 6-month-old child won't understand that you are working, but will feel the mother being exhausted. Early education is not just about being social and nice, and the exclusion of males from early education gets more criticism these days. What has been "traditional" is meaningless today: many women earn more, don't want to have kids etc. Also, saying "this model worked for centuries" is meaningless - you can say the same about slavery, all kinds of discrimination etc. Moreover, we are talking about the freedom to rather than being forced to take a paternity leave. Having more options is always positive.
Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#33I suppose he never considered that not all men are the bread winners of the family these days.
"In the old days men had babies and worked harder to provide for their future - that’s the correct masculine response."
I think it's pretty clear what he thinks of men who aren't the family bread winners, too.
Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#34Every time I've switched jobs I looked back and questioned the time and effort I put in. It seems like I never got back what I put in. When it comes to my son though, I've never once regretted the time and effort I dedicated to him. Sounds like the real loser is Joe Lonsdale. I hope he'll come to understand what's truly import during the short time on this planet before it's too late.
I don't know if Jon is a father but I would absolutely not be surprised if, when he becomes one, he does take a healthy paternity leave. Many of these people are very "do as I say, not as i do" types.
They’re scared of the imperceivably small dent this would make in their profit.
Asking this guy’s opinion on the matter is like asking the fox about security for the hen’s house.
Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#35The outrage cycle is strong with this one.
Is this what social media amplifies? Some dude who makes a statement that is clearly atypical gets hyper focused on while internet “pundits” scream at each other about it?
It’s clearly an extreme statement, made with the perfect intent to stoke outrage, that gets amplified, then Fortune writes an article and it gets linked on HN.
Whatever happens to “wow that’s a dumb statement” then moving on?
Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if Jon is a father but I would absolutely not be surprised if, when he becomes one, he does take a healthy paternity leave. Many of these people are very "do as I say, not as i do" types.
If you've got Jon's money you can just buy help for your family. So from the perspective of a rich guy who can afford a live-in nanny, I'm not surprised he thinks 6 months of paternity leave is extravagant. But for normal people, you're lucky if you have some family to help out a day or two in the first few weeks. In the case of my wife and I for our son, we were flying solo. And that's assuming a normal birth - if y…
You can buy a nanny for your kid. You can't buy a dad.
Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#37I followed this on Twitter and think some clarification is in order.
1 - Joe immediately regretted using the word "loser" https://twitter.com/JTLonsdale/status/1453420638832635904
2 - The headline is missing "in an important position." Joe's statement applies to the top leaders of a company/country, not everyone. He's saying people like the CEOs/SVPs of a company, or the presidents/cabinet members of a country, shouldn't take six months off without staying involved even part time. That's a reasonable take that I think most boards and top executives agree with.
It's not like you have to spend your entire life at work and can never see your child. It's just that top leaders at a company have commitments to the company that shouldn't really be dropped for six whole months. If you're in one of these positions, and you take time off (for any reason), it either needs to be a short vacation, or you need to stay involved at the same time (like a vacation where you're still checking in for important meetings).
Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#38Another way to look at this is anyone who can take that much leave is absolutely privilege compared to typical working class people. Back when I was working minimum wage or near minimum wage it was rare to even see women take more than a month off.
Many new fathers would only take one or two days. So at least with my working class background this is a couple of privileged people, from an extremely privileged class complaining about how much they should use their privilege.
The landlord doesn’t care all that much, while you can get three or four months of unpaid leave no working class person can afford to take all that much time.
Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#39Yeah, the devil is in the details. I have a workmate that surprised me saying he's taking a year off paternity leave, getting a monthly paycheck from the state. The catch ... his wife is working from home. So in fact she is doing all the hard work child care. He... essentially took a paid-off sabbatical B-)
I'm very impressed if she was able to take care of an infant alone while working from home. Our family and friends assumed we would be doing that, but the reality was that the baby needed constant attention and so did work!
Re: A man who takes 6 months of paternity is a loser – Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale
#40Yeah, the devil is in the details. I have a workmate that surprised me saying he's taking a year off paternity leave, getting a monthly paycheck from the state. The catch ... his wife is working from home. So in fact she is doing all the hard work child care. He... essentially took a paid-off sabbatical B-)
If she's working from home, why do you think she's doing all the child care? You think he's just sitting around while she both works and cares for the child?