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France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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> More than 20% of the 435 million books sold in France in 2019 were bought online I am very surprised at how low this number is.

I wonder how many of the hard copies were bought as gifts or purchased by wandering tourists looking for a paper companion.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Is there a word for laws that disproportionately affect people in rural areas so that a government can play protectionist for urban companies? I hate Amazon as much as anyone, but in this case they're definitely not wrong , even if they're probably lying about their reasoning.

> I hate Amazon as much as anyone The fashionable thing to say, indeed! Yet the anyones are all covertly buying from Amazon, working for Amazon, and investing in Amazon.

Nah, we've successfully reduced spending on Amazon by >90% in our household.

There are still some obscure items that, due to the sheer spread of Amazon, are incredibly difficult to get anywhere else, online or off - but that was Amazon's original market benefit to begin with. You could always get that weird book on Amazon that you couldn't get in the book store.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Not a big fan of Amazon but I also find it ridiculous and self-sacking to fixate on obsolete ideas. If you have to force a business to exist, maybe it doesn’t need to exist.

Yeah. So many problems caused by businesses who simply refuse to die. Their time has passed but they simply refuse to go away and let humanity move on. The entire copyright industry for example.

The entire copyright industry for example.

You mean like... books?

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't read the full article thanks to the paywall so maybe I'm missing it, but: where is the urban protectionism here? More generally, my limited understanding of French politics is that they have a very strong agricultural interest that's disproportionate to the populace, similar to the US. The limited news I read about French domestic politics indicates that their government generally accommodates and subsidizes…

People living in the cities will now be able to buy a book significantly cheaper than someone living in a rural area. And a bookstore in a city will be able to outcompete a rural one, since they'll have more local sales but the rural bookstore will not be able compete on price for the mail orders.

Seems like a harsh but fair move on France's part to stop unfairly subsidizing rural areas. Honestly living in rural areas should cost more - maintenance of infrastructure, power, etc are significantly more costly for rural areas in a way that's not nearly accounted for by their tax base.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Not a big fan of Amazon but I also find it ridiculous and self-sacking to fixate on obsolete ideas. If you have to force a business to exist, maybe it doesn’t need to exist.

I was in B+N last summer, and as I recall they had 6 full shelves of "Trump Is Bad" books. I amuse myself by collecting them, and have 36 so far (all different). I pick them up at the thrift store for a buck or two.

I started a Biden collection, but only one book so far. Things that make you go hmmmm....

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

#36

Not a big fan of Amazon but I also find it ridiculous and self-sacking to fixate on obsolete ideas. If you have to force a business to exist, maybe it doesn’t need to exist.

It's more than just a "business"

The reason of the downfall of our civilization is because of that specific problem, you think about everything as a business, including countries

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People living in the cities will now be able to buy a book significantly cheaper than someone living in a rural area. And a bookstore in a city will be able to outcompete a rural one, since they'll have more local sales but the rural bookstore will not be able compete on price for the mail orders.

I guess my point with this is twofold: * Accepting Amazon's claim: this strikes me more as the removal of a rural subsidy (cheap delivery to hard to reach places, Amazon skipping out on every tax they can to lower prices) than the imposition of an urban one. Maybe a distinction without difference economically, but it's an important political distinction. * Not accepting the claim: wouldn't this support rural bookstor…

A rural bookstore won't have sufficient density of local customers to be viable. They need to make additional sales from somewhere. That "somewhere" has to be mail order, where they maybe could be competitive due to lower costs. But now they can't actually compete.

(This is all purely hypothetical, and explaining how the statement could be true. Probably it isn't, since there's no way an indie bookstore competes on price with Amazon.)

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hate Amazon as much as anyone The fashionable thing to say, indeed! Yet the anyones are all covertly buying from Amazon, working for Amazon, and investing in Amazon.

Nah, we've successfully reduced spending on Amazon by >90% in our household. There are still some obscure items that, due to the sheer spread of Amazon, are incredibly difficult to get anywhere else, online or off - but that was Amazon's original market benefit to begin with. You could always get that weird book on Amazon that you couldn't get in the book store.

Good for you. For me, after the local grocery store went to shit, with Prime Now and Amazon Fresh I've shifted almost all our spending to Amazon.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

#39

Oh wow, Amazon is such a threat! Whatever will Larousse and Hachette do... maybe remain competitive? </3

There certainly has been a fair bit of consolidation in the publishing industry, other than Amazon becoming the dominant retailer.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Is there a word for laws that disproportionately affect people in rural areas so that a government can play protectionist for urban companies? I hate Amazon as much as anyone, but in this case they're definitely not wrong , even if they're probably lying about their reasoning.

> I hate Amazon as much as anyone The fashionable thing to say, indeed! Yet the anyones are all covertly buying from Amazon, working for Amazon, and investing in Amazon.

I’ve cut back on my Amazon purchases 90%. It’s been nice visiting actual stores and getting something same-hour. Sometimes I pay a dollar or two more. But buying local(er) feels good for my soul. It’s nice not having to wonder if every single positive review is real or fake, or if real, if it’s accurate. It’s also nice not having to sift through direct-from-China products with extremely strange names and poorly written box descriptions.

Anyway, I’m not sure what your point is. You can hate something and still use it. Especially if that something actively made it much harder to not use it. It’s the same with made in USA goods. Most people crave them. But thanks to our government and corporations, it’s difficult to do it - or at least, do it affordably. Does that mean people prefer made in China? Or that they’re just posturing when they say they don’t like made in China? No.

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