The intelligence level of comments here is depressing.
Are you basing that on if they agree or disagree with forced vaccination? If disagreeing with forced vaccination is low intelligence, then I have Forest Gump level of intelligence.
Covid-19 Vaccines and the Menstrual Cycle
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> I think so, unless you consider to keep enforcing lockdowns, travel restrictions, or a Children-of-the-corn-light type of scenario to be ethically better. Well, a lot of places that have high vaccination rates still have domestic restrictions, or are considering bringing them back as they deal with new surges in COVID cases. International travel restrictions are still significant, even for fully vaccinated traveler…
> let's be honest: they haven't been anywhere near the panacea hoped for, and a lot of the pseudo-promises made around a return to normalcy haven't been kept. Isn't the latter caused in part by the former? > Instead, the goal posts keep changing. Have the goal posts moved or did the vaccines not make it to the goal line? You can't have it both ways.
The vaccines appear to be providing very good protection against hospitalization and death. This was the original goal -- to keep people from getting super sick and dying. Then the focus shifted to preventing infection entirely. However once it became clear that the vaccines didn't provide sterilizing immunity, a lot of places remained focused on cases.
If you plot cases versus deaths in countries like the US and UK, it's clear that the vaccines are doing what we needed them to do most and as more and more people have some level of immunity (either through vaccines or prior infection) the virus is looking less and less menacing.
It's true that COVID continues to strain hospital systems, primarily because of unvaccinated patients and vaccinated patients who are high-risk to begin with (due to age, immunocompromisation and comorbidities), but getting out of the "overwhelmed hospitals" situation is going to be really, really difficult. Resource and staffing shortages didn't just begin when COVID started. According to Becker's Hospital Review, "For most level 1 trauma centers and tertiary care facilities, operating intensive care units at 80 percent to 90 percent capacity is standard — even before the COVID-19 pandemic hit."[1]
Between the large populations of vaccinated individuals and those with natural immunity, it's getting harder and harder to justify maintaining restrictions indefinitely on the basis that SARS-CoV-2 naive individuals in certain populations (namely the elderly, overweight/obese and diabetic) and high-risk vaccinated individuals are filling ICUs that were already routinely at 80-90% capacity before the pandemic.
At some point, learning to live with the virus also involves accepting that we can't shut all of society down when ICUs fill up.
[1] https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthc...
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#33Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved?
Better than dying
If you're a healthy 35 year old White woman in the UK, your risk of COVID death is 1 in 166,000:
https://qcovid.org/Calculation
And hospitalisation 1 in 4484.
By contrast your risk of death from anything at that age and gender is 1 in 1106 annually:
http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html
COVID risks are extremely concentrated to the obese, unhealthy, and elderly. It doesn't make sense to vaccinate the entirety of the population especially with a leaky vaccine.
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Better than dying
If you're a healthy 35 year old White woman in the UK, your risk of COVID death is 1 in 166,000: https://qcovid.org/Calculation And hospitalisation 1 in 4484. By contrast your risk of death from anything at that age and gender is 1 in 1106 annually: http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html COVID risks are extremely concentrated to the obese, unhealthy, and elderly. It doesn't make sense to vaccinate the e…
The healthy 35yo might not have a bed for something unrelated thanks to freedom fighters with poor understanding of statistics.
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Nursing degree takes 3 years minimum...
Better start today, then.
Or just vaccinate. Cheaper and better. (Try estimating the price of enough hospitals, employees and of course the sick leave for the patients. Then multiply with x in case people contract covid several times during life.)
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Better start today, then.
It's still trying to solve linearly a problem that propagates exponentially.
Obviously, increasing hospital capacity is not a short term solution to Covid. It will, however, mitigate the next pandemic and help in bad flu seasons.
If the reason for lockdowns was "flattening the curve" to not swamp hospitals, then we could have avoided lockdowns if hospitals had been able to absorb the increase in patients.
"On July 5 1948 the National Health Service took control of 480,000 hospital beds in England and Wales. An estimated 125,000 nurses and 5,000 consultants were available to care for hospital patients."
"By 1952 the situation improved, figures show there were 245,000 whole time equivalent nurses."
Source: https://www.nursingtimes.net/archive/the-birth-of-the-nhs-ju...
In 1948 the population of the UK was under 50 million. In 2020 it was over 65 million.
Source: https://www.closer.ac.uk/data/estimated-annual-population/
"The total number of hospital beds in the UK is 170,548, correct at the time of publishing this article in April 2020."
Source: https://www.interweavetextiles.com/how-many-hospital-beds-uk...
The number of nurses in the UK: "Over the last year (April 2019 to April 2020) the number of nurses has gone up by 13,502: from 282,506 to 296,008."
Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-nurse-numbers-continu...
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's still trying to solve linearly a problem that propagates exponentially.
Obviously, increasing hospital capacity is not a short term solution to Covid. It will, however, mitigate the next pandemic and help in bad flu seasons. If the reason for lockdowns was "flattening the curve" to not swamp hospitals, then we could have avoided lockdowns if hospitals had been able to absorb the increase in patients. "On July 5 1948 the National Health Service took control of 480,000 hospital beds in Eng…
> If the reason for lockdowns was "flattening the curve" to not swamp hospitals, then we could have avoided lockdowns if hospitals had been able to absorb the increase in patients.
No, because you have exponential growth without lockdowns. You cannot have exponential increase in hospital beds. And, obviously, by "bed" we mean "team of qualified, registered, trained, health care professionals".