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Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Re: Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Post by thaumasiotes »

dragonwriter wrote: post #26
thaumasiotes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing unusual about private parties being able to assess penalties against other private parties. Your bank does it all the time. It does not make a mockery of the justice system. The justice system frequently does make a mockery of the justice system by assessing penalties, such as when someone is arrested, proves to have been someone other than the target, and then gets charged for the time they spent in…

> There's nothing unusual about private parties being able to assess penalties against other private parties Absent a contract, there is, and even with a contract there are limits. > Your bank does it all the time. Within a contractual relation and governed by the contract, sure. But that's not what you are talking about. > It does not make a mockery of the justice system. Outside of the bounds of contract, it would,…

A penalty for filing a bad suit can be (and notionally already is!) part of the price of filing suit, just as overdraft penalties are part of the price of a bank account. A contract between the plaintiff and the defendant is not necessary.

> Loser pays for frivolous lawsuits only (but not all failed lawsuits) is also a thing, and is common in US jurisdictions, but requires a separate court determination

Requiring a separate court determination is a coincidence of the American system, not a logical necessity.

Re: Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Post by vmception »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #2

The argument that being a victim of espionage constitutes per se negligence seems like a stretch. For spies to exist at all, they need to fool whatever supervision is in place. For missing them to be negligence, it would have to be easy to prevent spying from happening. When a warbler feeds a cuckoo chick and lets his own chicks starve, is that because he's a bad parent who could be fixed with a lawsuit, or is it jus…

eh they were indicted by the Federal Government and so the civil suit by this person has a lot of ammunition already that they otherwise would not have

mayyybe they went amateur hour with the negligence angle, but maybe they didn't

Re: Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Post by graperapist1480 »

l33t2328 wrote: post #25
SMVS wrote: post #21

The tech industry is chock full of spies working for one side or the other. FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning. The only bullshit here is targeting KSA, when everyone's involved.

Why do you say FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning?

as a longtime CIA front myself (three of Allen Dulles’ secret children in a trench coat), I have it on good authority google’s sole purpose is to steal your data and then laugh at your porn and internet history. You sure love those tiny Asian feet! The search engine and internet thing just kinda fell out of it, and then became too big to stop by the time we realized it’d become the main thing

Re: Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Post by tester34 »

CheezeIt wrote: post #23
bpodgursky wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also pretty much impossible for a big tech company to filter against this during hiring without risking catastrophic discrimination suits.

That’s the big problem. It’s absolutely insane that tech companies can’t keep foreign nationals and people with foreign ties from sensitive positions.

You're kinda right, but on the other hand how I'll get visa and steal some faamg jobs if they'll not accept foreigners? /s

ok, just kidding, now serious take:

US population: 330kk

Rest of the World: 8kkk

Delta (8kkk-330kk)

Even if we assume that distribution of highly skilled people is not uniform (lack of decent higher edu places, harder access to computers/internet)

then you still lose shitton of outliers

edit.

ops I misread.

Re: Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Post by CyanBird »

l33t2328 wrote: post #25
SMVS wrote: post #21

The tech industry is chock full of spies working for one side or the other. FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning. The only bullshit here is targeting KSA, when everyone's involved.

Why do you say FAANG has been an intelligence front since the beginning?

Because it has[1]

As for the rest, it is just a matter of checking funding from inqtel and associated groups

The UK has information warfare agents on Twitter as well [2]

None of this is a disputed topic, back on the 70s with operation mockingbird US intelligence agencies bragged that they had an agent/asset on every important editorial board on the country [3] which all goes back to the church committee

[1] https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-goo...

[2] www.businessinsider.com/twitter-chief-also-works-for-the-british-armys-information-unit-2019-10

[3] https://schoolhistory.co.uk/notes/operation-mockingbird/

Re: Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Post by graperapist1480 »

arisAlexis wrote: post #36

Alternative title could be: Twitter sued for discrimination and low personel diversity

you can just sue for discrimination though? That is common. It is considered legally dangerous to have an all white (or, less fantastically, 30% Jew 30% Asian 20% white 0% hispanicblack), but the mode of enforcement would be employment or hiring discrimination, not this...

Re: Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Post by dragonwriter »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #31
dragonwriter wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's nothing unusual about private parties being able to assess penalties against other private parties Absent a contract, there is, and even with a contract there are limits. > Your bank does it all the time. Within a contractual relation and governed by the contract, sure. But that's not what you are talking about. > It does not make a mockery of the justice system. Outside of the bounds of contract, it would,…

A penalty for filing a bad suit can be (and notionally already is!) part of the price of filing suit, just as overdraft penalties are part of the price of a bank account. A contract between the plaintiff and the defendant is not necessary. > Loser pays for frivolous lawsuits only (but not all failed lawsuits) is also a thing, and is common in US jurisdictions, but requires a separate court determination Requiring a s…

> Requiring a separate court determination is a coincidence of the American system, not a logical necessity.

No, its a logical necessity. “Frivolous” is a separate facr feom “losing”.

Re: Twitter is being sued for letting Saudi spies inside the company

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Post by Ancapistani »

rendall wrote: post #38

> ...to appease a neigh beneficial owner... Has anyone seen this use of neigh before? Is it a legal term? What does it mean?

Huh, that’s a new one to me.

I found a couple of usages in academic publications, but they don’t give me any more context as to meaning. That leads me to believe that it’s not a legal term.

I can’t find any meaning other than the “sound a horse makes” in any dictionary, either.

ETA: Apparently, the old English “nēah” meant “near”. That seems to be the the root of the work “neighbor”.

Interestingly, it looks like “neigh” (like a horse) and “neighbor” both came into use in English in the 12th Century. Perhaps coincidental.

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