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The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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Re: The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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I sometimes think, that marketing is one of the worst thing that happened to us. It is constantly destroying all things that worked really well for us. There were times when checking my mailbox (I mean physical one) was either important - taxes, administration, bills or fun - postcards from family and friends. Now it’s 99% spam. It’s not worth checking. Email - the same. Mostly spam and shitty newsletters that will '…

This seems to be a pervasive attitude here. Pessimistic, cynical, backwards-looking to a golden age that never existed, anti-marketing and sales, etc. If this is such a huge problem, and you seem to have a lot of passion for it, why not try to create tools to solve it for people? And if you think business is evil, it doesn’t even have to be a product or service! You could simply create a political organization to try…

No, it's bad. And while the problem is old the scale of it is new.

It's a false claim often made by marketing people that marketing is synonymous with persuasion and the propagation of ideas. That without marketing everything is doomed to obscurity and irrelevance. Well, that may be true for an increasing number of areas of life in the world that marketing has built but it isn't generally. You've heard of Quantum Mechanics, right? Do you think it says something valid about the world? Did anyone ever market it to you?

Marketing is a fundamentally shallow form of communication. It's the forcing of awareness of something onto people without their choosing to be aware of it. The payload is necessarily low in information content, the interaction is brief and the message is dressed up to be maximally attention-grabbing. These things have negative results, and those negative results become worse the more pervasive marketing gets. The fact that people have always done it doesn't make it good, or make it desirable to allow an unlimited amount of it into our society.

It's worse in modern times for a couple of reasons. One is that our society consumes more information than ever before, and we've made a Faustian bargain with marketing to fund the generation of that information. Another is that marketing drags everything down to its level - the presence of these shallow, maximally distracting signals forces others to do the same in order to be heard. The transformation of politics into marketing (marketed as "inevitable" or "the way it's always been" by marketers) is a case in point. It's cancerous, and I'm glad people are finally waking up to it.

Re: The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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I don't get it. It's written as though this spamming marketing cancer is somehow a virtue, and I'm supposed to have an ounce of compassion for the poor marketer constantly having to come up with new ways to shove his shit in my face and admire his ingenuity.

Re: The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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The first killer app of AR glasses will be blanking out adverts. I imagine putting on a pair and then all the ads just show my next calendar event or task list, or pictures of my kids. Cuts out billboards, ads on the screen you're looking at, Nike swooshes on people's shoes.

Do you really believe that ? The first killer app of AR glasses will be ads in places where we couldn't have ads before. Your neighbor's lawn ? Ad space. The sky ? Ad space. Whirlpool in a toilet ? Ad space.

Sigh. I guess it depends on whether you can afford the good version. I guess it will be a github project that only people who can operate a compiler and root their headset will be able to do.

Re: The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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This seems to be a pervasive attitude here. Pessimistic, cynical, backwards-looking to a golden age that never existed, anti-marketing and sales, etc. If this is such a huge problem, and you seem to have a lot of passion for it, why not try to create tools to solve it for people? And if you think business is evil, it doesn’t even have to be a product or service! You could simply create a political organization to try…

No, it's bad. And while the problem is old the scale of it is new. It's a false claim often made by marketing people that marketing is synonymous with persuasion and the propagation of ideas. That without marketing everything is doomed to obscurity and irrelevance. Well, that may be true for an increasing number of areas of life in the world that marketing has built but it isn't generally. You've heard of Quantum Mec…

None of us were born with knowledge of quantum mechanics. Some outside force placed that information into your head by sitting you down in a classroom, and incentivizing you enough to remain there under the vague threat of future poverty. Very few things get the privilege of becoming part of a school curriculum. And the way those ideas get there, looks a lot like marketing.

I don't think anything I can say will change your mind. Often, a belief that things were better in the past is more of a personality trait or an emotional disposition motivated by external events rather than something rational.

If you're so inclined though, I highly recommend using the Library of Congress website or Newspapers.com to read what mass communication was like 50-200 years ago.

You'll be amazed at how little has changed:

https://pessimists.co/telephone-archive/

https://pessimists.co/radio-archive/

Re: The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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No, it's bad. And while the problem is old the scale of it is new. It's a false claim often made by marketing people that marketing is synonymous with persuasion and the propagation of ideas. That without marketing everything is doomed to obscurity and irrelevance. Well, that may be true for an increasing number of areas of life in the world that marketing has built but it isn't generally. You've heard of Quantum Mec…

None of us were born with knowledge of quantum mechanics. Some outside force placed that information into your head by sitting you down in a classroom, and incentivizing you enough to remain there under the vague threat of future poverty. Very few things get the privilege of becoming part of a school curriculum. And the way those ideas get there, looks a lot like marketing. I don't think anything I can say will chang…

Again with the equating marketing to communication, propagation of ideas and persuasion. What goes on in a classroom is not marketing, by any useful definition...

Yet.

Re: The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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None of us were born with knowledge of quantum mechanics. Some outside force placed that information into your head by sitting you down in a classroom, and incentivizing you enough to remain there under the vague threat of future poverty. Very few things get the privilege of becoming part of a school curriculum. And the way those ideas get there, looks a lot like marketing. I don't think anything I can say will chang…

Again with the equating marketing to communication, propagation of ideas and persuasion. What goes on in a classroom is not marketing, by any useful definition... Yet.

Any time you have limited attention, and more than one idea vying for that attention, the end result is marketing.

Any argument you make that students should spend an hour learning about quantum mechanics instead of something else on the market of ideas (eg. finance, literature, history, etc.) is by definition an act of positioning.

The curriculum of today is the result of marketing in the past. You just don't see it that way because you weren't around when those decisions were being made.

Re: The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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Again with the equating marketing to communication, propagation of ideas and persuasion. What goes on in a classroom is not marketing, by any useful definition... Yet.

Any time you have limited attention, and more than one idea vying for that attention, the end result is marketing. Any argument you make that students should spend an hour learning about quantum mechanics instead of something else on the market of ideas (eg. finance, literature, history, etc.) is by definition an act of positioning. The curriculum of today is the result of marketing in the past. You just don't see it…

No, you're defining marketing in a way so broad as to render the term meaningless, as a way of avoiding answering the actual criticisms. An extreme example of this kind of argument would be "murder is doing stuff, here is an example of people doing stuff and it's fine, so murder is fine". This is fallacious (and, if done deliberately, dishonest) so I won't engage in that line of debate further.

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Oh yeah forgot who ruined email, if that wasn't bad enough I can't even pickup the phone anymore because I get multiple scam calls per day.

I guess this varies greatly between countries. I used to get these, but as the GDPR thing came they were less frequent. For the most persistent ones it was enough to say you do not give consent and request to be deleted from their database and never contacted again otherwise you file a complaint with the personal information protection office. I suspect there are only few companies that manage the contact lists and t…

Yeah it's a disaster in the US. I have a fancy title on linkedin so I wake up every day to an inbox full of personalized drip campaigns that don't even have an option to unsubscribe.

I've been using fake names and emails for some accounts online and somehow I recently received physical spam mail with one of those names without ever sharing my address.

Re: The Law of Shitty Clickthroughs (2012)

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I sometimes think, that marketing is one of the worst thing that happened to us. It is constantly destroying all things that worked really well for us. There were times when checking my mailbox (I mean physical one) was either important - taxes, administration, bills or fun - postcards from family and friends. Now it’s 99% spam. It’s not worth checking. Email - the same. Mostly spam and shitty newsletters that will '…

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