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Re: Always Do Extra

#31

Wrong. Business is about relationships. Be competent and do what is minimally required. Do extra networking or befriending your manager/boss/etc. People who get ahead build relationships. The slaves stick around to do the extra work. Competence + relationship > competence + extra work It's so funny how all the business advice is about how to be a good slave rather than what really gets you ahead.

Well said!

Re: Always Do Extra

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Do extra work, and do present it, but pretend it only took 30 minutes when it actually took five hours. Congrats, now you get credit for the extra work and you're a "10x rockstar".

Yes, and the next time a 50-hour task comes up, they'll expect you to do it by tomorrow. The problem with faking your way into being a 10x rockstar is that expectations grow faster than compensation. The other problem is that if you can't sustain the pace, you're going to burn out and your life will be utter crap.

Either I, too, faked my way into being a 10x rockstar, or expectations always grow faster than compensation.

Re: Always Do Extra

#34

> It's never something we need to hide, but instead it's something we're eager to share with our teams - ala "hey, I did some research on X, and maybe this is something that could be valuable for us to try". I'll give good odds that in most shops, if you pull this line more than a couple of times, your management chain is going to decide you aren't picking up enough work in sprint planning...

> your management chain is going to decide you aren't picking up enough work in sprint planning A trivial workaround: "hey team, a month ago I did some research on X, and maybe this is something that could be valuable for us to try". It's mathematically the same, but shhh. You don't need to lie. It's actually better to reflect for some days on any new research.

That will work well .... for a month.

Re: Always Do Extra

#35
In my opinion, doing "extra" as described here is precisely how one can grow into the maligned 10x developer. I promise no one starts out with that kind of mastery.

Re: Always Do Extra

#36

Wrong. Business is about relationships. Be competent and do what is minimally required. Do extra networking or befriending your manager/boss/etc. People who get ahead build relationships. The slaves stick around to do the extra work. Competence + relationship > competence + extra work It's so funny how all the business advice is about how to be a good slave rather than what really gets you ahead.

What about competence + relationship + hard work? Establishing relationships can be a part of work, and also hard work can be relationship building with a boss, who can then promote you... However, I share your aversion to being "a slave" and I also don't like to work for other people. But the only solution seems to be to work for yourself, which requires hard work just to survive. I thus feel like to satisfy the requirement of "no hard work" while working for someone else (because working for yourself is hard), requires the seeking of a position which is highly political and not really outcome dependent (otherwise your soon to be boss will have more incentive to filter you out), which sounds like the formula for some kind of bureaucratic cancerous cyst inside of a company, tbh. Which is something you would ideally not want to be a part of.

Re: Always Do Extra

#37
I gotta wonder how long these people's backlog is.

I do the thing until it is good enough (which sometimes is less done than initially requested) and then move on to another thing from the pile if I have time. Or I will answer support questions, or review pending pull requests.

"Extra" sounds a bit like "gold plating".

Re: Always Do Extra

#38
> Doing More would be completing those two screens and then taking on a third screen that's just like it. Yes, this would help move the project along faster and make your manager happy, and that's great, but in the long-run, More doesn't give you much.

Always doing Extra (and not being appreciated for it) is a great recipe for Burnout.

Re: Always Do Extra

#39
Not unless I'm getting paid or recognised in some other way for going extra mile.

More often than not no one (bug some rare customer probably) gives a damn about you going extra mile. Often it is actually punished, not directly but I've had plenty of examples when people instead of doing extra ventured into doing some fun shit for other teams and uh-oh, cross-team impact, here's your promotion while your actual team is struggling to get right the boring but actually money bringing stuff.

So no, money first please.

Re: Always Do Extra

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> your management chain is going to decide you aren't picking up enough work in sprint planning A trivial workaround: "hey team, a month ago I did some research on X, and maybe this is something that could be valuable for us to try". It's mathematically the same, but shhh. You don't need to lie. It's actually better to reflect for some days on any new research.

That will work well .... for a month.

It's been done. In one of his books Feynman describes how the scientists on the Manhattan project would "estimate" their results as what they had accomplished in the prior quarter. It's a bit messy to get it started, but once you've got a cadence you can always maintain that three months of buffer.

Edit: Now I'm thinking about what kind of tooling I'd want to make the process seamless.

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