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SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

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Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

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Great. The rich can park while the poor cannot afford.

That’s the point. It’s the point of so many things. If you can’t pay to offset the problem you impose on someone, you sometimes can’t impose on them. That’s the idea.

What I meant is, do you really think the rich people will care? Will those people really not drive their SUV to the city?

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#32
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Also, people in the EV conversion world tended to think that weight was the killer of efficiency. They later found out by experience that weight was much less important than wind resistance with the conclusion that speed is mostly killing your efficiency (along with shape of the car).

I’ve noticed this recently in my driving. As an experiment, I lowered my highway speed from 75mph to 65mph for a couple weeks, and my gas mileage went from about 26mpg to 34mpg. Car is epa rated for 33. An enormous improvement in efficiency - that experiment has totally changed my driving habits. Knowing that, I can’t believe that I’m basically the slowest car on the road now (going 65, which is the speed limit!). Cr…

You can get similar fuel savings by following a big vehicle like a truck.

Even at a safe following distance, the already moving air behind a truck lowers your effective speed by 20mph or so, saving 25-50% of the fuel bill. Trucks that have very little ground clearance (eg a big mudguard across the back) work best.

In the extreme case, in an EV, you can end a journey with more battery than you started with if you follow a truck closely (rather too close for safety, and in perfect conditions)

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#33
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Meanwhile the German city Tübingen is raising the parking fee for SUVs by 6 times and other cities are thinking about this as well. They are too big for those cities. https://www.rtl.de/cms/tuebingen-parkgebuehren-fuer-suv-fahr...

Great. The rich can park while the poor cannot afford.

It's true that charges like this are fairer when wealth is distributed more equally, so you make a powerful argument for wealth redistribution, but not against this policy.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#34
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>New ways of wasting energy in maximum comfort, all around. "Over the course of 267 miles (430 km) and 8 hours, the car used 2.6 miles/kWh (23.7 kWh/100 km), bearing in mind that those miles were all driven in Germany and include running at the car's top speed of 140 mph (225 km) on derestricted autobahns." ie. around 100 mpg. It is not even close to "waste", it is saving the planet in maximum comfort.

> It is not even close to "waste", it is saving the planet in maximum comfort. It is 100 % waste and you don't "save" the planet. Saving the planet = no car. Yeah, an EV is less wasteful than an ICE. Just don't think you save the planet .

> Saving the planet = no car.

Saving the planet = maximum one kid per couple.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#35

SUVs have much lesser chance of going mainstream than EVs in India. The fuel prices here are off the charts, and mileage is generally considered a very important factor in household purchases of cars.

SUVs are already mainstream in India. In 2020, SUVs accounted for 29% of all car sales and suffered the least hit from covid sales decline.

That's because most of those sales are from institutional/corporate customers, not households.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#36
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, people in the EV conversion world tended to think that weight was the killer of efficiency. They later found out by experience that weight was much less important than wind resistance with the conclusion that speed is mostly killing your efficiency (along with shape of the car).

I’ve noticed this recently in my driving. As an experiment, I lowered my highway speed from 75mph to 65mph for a couple weeks, and my gas mileage went from about 26mpg to 34mpg. Car is epa rated for 33. An enormous improvement in efficiency - that experiment has totally changed my driving habits. Knowing that, I can’t believe that I’m basically the slowest car on the road now (going 65, which is the speed limit!). Cr…

Make sure to not hog the fast lane :)

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#37

SUVs have much lesser chance of going mainstream than EVs in India. The fuel prices here are off the charts, and mileage is generally considered a very important factor in household purchases of cars.

Main issue is practical situation of roads in urban areas of India and water logging. Everyone prefers to have a higher seating position to manage the same, apart from the flavor of the month factor. I am personally looking to buy my next vehicle and given the prices of EVs considering a micro SUV just launched because of the factors mentioned earlier.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#38
post #11

Meanwhile the German city Tübingen is raising the parking fee for SUVs by 6 times and other cities are thinking about this as well. They are too big for those cities. https://www.rtl.de/cms/tuebingen-parkgebuehren-fuer-suv-fahr...

Let's see how it goes... the auto lobby is quite powerful in DE

Daimler (Mercedes) is quite close, and they complained loudly when Boris Palmer decided to drive a Prius rather than a Daimler car when he became mayor of Tübingen.

So yes, the auto lobby is quite powerful but the extent to which they can interfere with the business of a small liberal university town is very small.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#39

SUVs have much lesser chance of going mainstream than EVs in India. The fuel prices here are off the charts, and mileage is generally considered a very important factor in household purchases of cars.

SUV sales are increasing in India and this segment now outsells hatchbacks. See sales numbers https://www.carwale.com/news/suvs-dominate-car-sales-in-indi... EV will take time without a major company like Reliance or Tata investing heavily on infra to back it.

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Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

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post #11

Meanwhile the German city Tübingen is raising the parking fee for SUVs by 6 times and other cities are thinking about this as well. They are too big for those cities. https://www.rtl.de/cms/tuebingen-parkgebuehren-fuer-suv-fahr...

I am confused on why some people don't get that SUV's are a preference because they do bring some benefits (namely more space, a bit higher guard (especially useful on shitty roads), and that the alternative aka MCV's / monovolume are just dead and were never a lot more drag efficient.

Does it suck to drive a SUV in a city ? Mostly yes, but is it better to tax people based on the car size ? Won't this just make some people have 2 cars now instead of 1 ?

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