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Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Re: Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Post by tuukkah »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #13
satya71 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please cite your sources for your claims? They are rather bold and contrary to what I've learned.

A quick search readily brings up multiple articles about margarine and heart disease. Women who eat four or more teaspoons of margarine a day have a 50 percent greater risk of developing heart disease than women who eat margarine only once a month http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/05/us/study-links-heart-disea... Margarine intake and subsequent coronary heart disease in ... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9229205 Butter…

From the Harvard Health link:

> From the standpoint of heart disease, butter remains on the list of foods to use sparingly mostly because it is high in saturated fat. [--] Some of the newer margarines that are low in saturated fat, high in unsaturated fat, and free of trans fats are fine as long as you don't use too much (they are still rich in calories).

Re: Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Post by Klonoar »

oppositelock wrote: post #6

I remember when margarine, and other plant based fats were being touted as the healthier alternative to animal fats, and in the end, it turned out that these artificially oxidized plant oils ended up being a direct cause of heart disease. I'm afraid of products such as these for the same reason, because we have no long term health data. I'm happy to eat plants of all sorts, in their natural form. A slurry of plant fa…

I invite a food scientist or some such type to correct me (it's HN, so there's probably one lurking around somewhere), but the margarine issue was due to high concentrations of trans-fats coupled with the already high concentrations of saturated fat.

I believe a number of the "vegan" butters on market shelves today strive to avoid this issue, hence it's not necessarily the same... or, rather, to put it another way: just because something was done wrong once doesn't mean it can't be tried again with a better formula.

It's not like regular butter is being phased out here, and people really shouldn't be consuming so much of this stuff (butter or vegan butter) period.

Re: Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Post by DoreenMichele »

throwanem wrote: post #28
DoreenMichele wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to eat plants of all sorts, in their natural form. A slurry of plant fats and proteins which approximates eggs sounds like nasty factory runoff. I don't get this trend anyway. There are lots of perfectly good vegetarian dishes out there. Why do we have to whore out the food industry to the tastes of meat eaters in the name of saving the planet ? Can't wannabe "virtuous" meat eaters learn to eat vegetarian f…

It wouldn't surprise me if this were less about saving the planet and more about hedging against the possibility that factory farming ceases to be sustainable such that prices for real meat increase enormously. Such a circumstance would create a huge new market for relatively inexpensive meat substitutes, competing on palatability probably far more than nutrition.

Yes, someone with more business sense than me who is also more invested in turning a profit smells money. That's basically the real reason it gets done.

If people really want to save the planet and eat less meat as part of that goal, there are better ways to achieve that. But those ways tend to be harder to monetize effectively than creating a product that inflexible, overprivileged people will snap up and feel virtuous about.

Re: Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Post by ReGenGen »

oppositelock wrote: post #6

I remember when margarine, and other plant based fats were being touted as the healthier alternative to animal fats, and in the end, it turned out that these artificially oxidized plant oils ended up being a direct cause of heart disease. I'm afraid of products such as these for the same reason, because we have no long term health data. I'm happy to eat plants of all sorts, in their natural form. A slurry of plant fa…

This sounds sounds like conflating plant-based foods with hydrogenated oils from the early "low fat" days.

Do you have some specific concerns? Specific processes? Specific ingredients? (like heme iron https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/heme-iron/ )

Re: Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Post by staticassertion »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #16
oppositelock wrote: post #6

I remember when margarine, and other plant based fats were being touted as the healthier alternative to animal fats, and in the end, it turned out that these artificially oxidized plant oils ended up being a direct cause of heart disease. I'm afraid of products such as these for the same reason, because we have no long term health data. I'm happy to eat plants of all sorts, in their natural form. A slurry of plant fa…

I'm happy to eat plants of all sorts, in their natural form. A slurry of plant fats and proteins which approximates eggs sounds like nasty factory runoff. I don't get this trend anyway. There are lots of perfectly good vegetarian dishes out there. Why do we have to whore out the food industry to the tastes of meat eaters in the name of saving the planet ? Can't wannabe "virtuous" meat eaters learn to eat vegetarian f…

I like meat. It sucks, because I recognize the ethical implications of eating meat. I tried being vegan briefly and I dearly missed eggs.

Saying "existing vegetarian food is good enough, let's not see what else we can do, everyone should just get over it" seems a bit silly to me.

Re: Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Post by smegcicle »

satya71 wrote: post #7
oppositelock wrote: post #6

I remember when margarine, and other plant based fats were being touted as the healthier alternative to animal fats, and in the end, it turned out that these artificially oxidized plant oils ended up being a direct cause of heart disease. I'm afraid of products such as these for the same reason, because we have no long term health data. I'm happy to eat plants of all sorts, in their natural form. A slurry of plant fa…

Could you please cite your sources for your claims? They are rather bold and contrary to what I've learned.

could you cite what you've learned? everything oppositelock asserted sounds like common knowledge to me

Re: Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Post by Klonoar »

libertine wrote: post #17
tengbretson wrote: post #9

Its hard for me to understand exactly how the term "plant-based" came to be an acceptably descriptive name for a category of food. Is it so hard to just put the name of the plants in the name of the food? I think most people would be skeptical of going to a bar and ordering something off the menu that was simply called "Animal-based Wings."

It's a terminology used to entice those who feel like they'd need a replacement for the things they're used to, and yet might have a bad perception of the plants used in these products (like eww that tastes bad ) - so it's a term for the general population. Also these products as mostly a combination of plants, like it wouldn't be right (or maybe even legal) to say that the vEGGie is soy eggs.

My pet theory is that it's actually because vegan and vegetarian are too charged of a term at this point.

"Plant based" is fairly neutral and doesn't outright prescribe a hard line.

Re: Nestlé to Debut Plant-Based Eggs, Shrimp

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Post by rsj_hn »

vorpalhex wrote: post #25
DoreenMichele wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to eat plants of all sorts, in their natural form. A slurry of plant fats and proteins which approximates eggs sounds like nasty factory runoff. I don't get this trend anyway. There are lots of perfectly good vegetarian dishes out there. Why do we have to whore out the food industry to the tastes of meat eaters in the name of saving the planet ? Can't wannabe "virtuous" meat eaters learn to eat vegetarian f…

Beyond beef and impossible have been successful because meat eaters are willing to choose them and like them. Put another way, can't you learn to like an all meat diet without sneaking in vegetables or making them seem like non-meat? (Well, no, you like what you like, and you probably won't make huge changes without incentive).

Personally I don't know of anyone who eats the fake beef in my social circle. They are pretty horrific when you look at the ingredients: Tertiary butylhydroquinone, Erythosine, Propylene glycol, Ferric orthophosphate. Ugh.

But lentils, carrots, potatos, brocolli, peas, beans, onions, mushrooms, nuts -- that's fantastic.

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