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Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by dagw »

shkkmo wrote: post #12
tannhaeuser wrote: post #2

Isn't that a strange thing, considering Norway is vast, has low population density especially in the north, and has own oil resources available?

Norway isn't really that vast. It's about the size of New Mexico but has twice the population density.

It's about the size of New Mexico

It is however much more spread out. Driving from the northernmost to southern most town of New Mexico is ~700 km. Driving from the southern most to northern most town of Norway is over 2300 km, or about the same has from the southernmost town of New Mexico to the Canadian border.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by bdamm »

kmonsen wrote: post #27
belltaco wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stopping it would be useless, it'd just increase production from oil wells of other countries. They could invest that money into accelerating green technology.

That's not useless though. It would drive the price up making it easier to scale up on renewables.

Only if there was a large pact of countries doing so. But even that would be dubious, since OPEC and other groups would just increase production. Also there are many oil resources that can be tapped with a slight increase in the prices, so really Norway would just be handing production over to countries like Canada, where local governments would be only too eager to sell the more expensive product.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by mensetmanusman »

kmonsen wrote: post #27
belltaco wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stopping it would be useless, it'd just increase production from oil wells of other countries. They could invest that money into accelerating green technology.

That's not useless though. It would drive the price up making it easier to scale up on renewables.

That is under the assumption oil revenues aren’t efficiently spent on speeding the green transition.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by jalk »

thomasfl wrote: post #23
WalterBright wrote: post #5

20% of Norway's GDP comes from pumping oil out of the ground and selling it for others to burn. If they were really green that would stop.

As a Norwegian I totally agree with you. It is not just unethical, but stupid to invest so much in searching for new old fields. When demand for oil drops, Norway could have a Kodak moment.

How large is the Oil Fund these days (after Corona spending) 1 trillion USD or something like that - you'll be fine

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by mensetmanusman »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #2

Isn't that a strange thing, considering Norway is vast, has low population density especially in the north, and has own oil resources available?

They are also rich to the tune of $200k saved in the nations coffers for every citizen.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by Le_Dook »

AustinDev wrote: post #16
dtech wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they are using that money for citizens and green energy instead of Ferrari's of the royal family

Ferarris don't contribute at all to global warming relatively. The many Gulfstream's and 747's the wealthy own are actually statistically significant in terms of impact.

Heck, I know they're hybrids but just look formula one. The total emissions of every car, from all sessions at every single race in a year combined produce less emissions than a one way flight from London to New York. Which is then completed negated by the fact that the drivers all take private jets around the world

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by magicalhippo »

andrenth wrote: post #11

Does anyone have a pointer to studies on the effects of electric vehicles in the used car market? I ask because the lifespan of current batteries seems to be around 8 years (going by manufacturers' warranties), and the battery pack amounts to approximately 30% of the price of the car. So people buying an used electric car will likely face a large maintenance cost after a while.

Like changing a broken automatic transmission is a cheap thing.

That happened to a friend of mine, who was quoted around 50k NOK (~6k USD) of a car he bought used for twice that. Fortunately for him, it turned out there was one week left of the 5-year "new car" warranty so he didn't have to pay after all, but that was sheer luck.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by pmalynin »

tkbeili wrote: post #29
thomasfl wrote: post #14

There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…

Very interesting. In Canada, it will take years to recoup the price difference for buying an electric car even with government incentives. 25% VAT + Extra tax seems to work.

And especially now with the added burden of the “luxury” car tax.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by jdofaz »

andrenth wrote: post #11

Does anyone have a pointer to studies on the effects of electric vehicles in the used car market? I ask because the lifespan of current batteries seems to be around 8 years (going by manufacturers' warranties), and the battery pack amounts to approximately 30% of the price of the car. So people buying an used electric car will likely face a large maintenance cost after a while.

There are a handful of independent shops that can repair a battery for much less than full replacement cost. I think that will get better as EVs become more common.
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