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Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by argc »

buzzin_ wrote: post #25
sobellian wrote: post #20

One of my pet peeves is when folks compare human elo ratings from FIDE to (presumably) engine elo ratings from CCRL, a league for chess engines. They're not the same! This is like comparing points between your local youth soccer league and La Liga. All we need to say is that this engine is only 100 elo behind Stockfish. That is akin to occasionally beating God in a game of chess.

I thought Alpha Zero is stronger that Stockfish, or was, if it doesn't exist anymore.

Not sure about stockfish 10, but stockfish 8 struggled to win any games against alpha zero [1].

[1] https://www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-st...

Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by sobellian »

buzzin_ wrote: post #25
sobellian wrote: post #20

One of my pet peeves is when folks compare human elo ratings from FIDE to (presumably) engine elo ratings from CCRL, a league for chess engines. They're not the same! This is like comparing points between your local youth soccer league and La Liga. All we need to say is that this engine is only 100 elo behind Stockfish. That is akin to occasionally beating God in a game of chess.

I thought Alpha Zero is stronger that Stockfish, or was, if it doesn't exist anymore.

The comparison between SF and AZ is hardware-dependent, so there was never a black-and-white answer. Even so, AZ hasn't seen any further development AFAIK but SF is constantly improving. But for this engine, I'm just relying on the author's methodology:

> It plays chess with a rating of approximately 3450 Elo... [compared to] Stockfish 14 at 3550 Elo.

Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

argc wrote: post #31
buzzin_ wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Alpha Zero is stronger that Stockfish, or was, if it doesn't exist anymore.

Not sure about stockfish 10, but stockfish 8 struggled to win any games against alpha zero [1]. [1] https://www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-st...

The last Stockfish is Stockfish 14.

Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by flavius29663 »

acomjean wrote: post #33

We used to call it when people stand around your chess board talking about you game “kibitzers” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibitzer

TIL Where chibitz comes from in Romanian. To us it's the annoying people that comment on the game (cards, football or whatever it is) and usually hope it goes badly for the target of their comments.

Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

prezjordan wrote: post #8

Remarkably cool. My only bit of feedback is that it's unfortunate so much of the commentary uses masculine pronouns (I found it distracting). Is that just a consequence of the training data?

It must be tough for you to function in everyday life if you find such mundane thing distracting.

Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by phendrenad2 »

Looking at the screenshot, I was briefly hopeful that they used actual Chess commentary and gpt3 or something. But it looks like a simple rule engine is translating "user did X but I (the AI) would have done Y" into a slightly nicer phrasing. Meh. Still cool.

Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by SavantIdiot »

This is a really amazing project. I hadn't though of coaching as a space for NLP, and I'm unaware of any use of a neural net to accomplish this, although I did study some Expert Systems in college that focused on radiology.

There's real substance here. Well done. I hope you keep developing it, you're on to something novel.

Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by aaronblohowiak »

zeptonix wrote: post #24
zeptonix wrote: post #23

Amazing, incredible idea. Run with it for a bit. Setup a hosted, super easy to use version, that's billed ultimately at cost plus but in an easy to understand way (maybe # of games, that sort of thing).

Responding to myself, but I also think a "why did I lose?" / "where did I first go wrong?" variation would be super popular with people.

the chess.com system will do that for you today

Re: Show HN: ChessCoach – A neural chess engine that comments on each player's moves

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Post by cbutner »

sobellian wrote: post #20

One of my pet peeves is when folks compare human elo ratings from FIDE to (presumably) engine elo ratings from CCRL, a league for chess engines. They're not the same! This is like comparing points between your local youth soccer league and La Liga. All we need to say is that this engine is only 100 elo behind Stockfish. That is akin to occasionally beating God in a game of chess.

I agree with what you're saying. On the flip side, there are multiple systems (Elo, Glicko), anchors, playing pools, etc. in use around the place, and FIDE and CCRL are offset by around 80 magnitude I heard, compared to about 600-700 difference between top humans and top engines.

So for a non-technical audience, I feel like it's easier to give a ballpark that they can understand without having to pull in too much context around Stockfish, CCRL, etc. It may have been better to clarify further in the docs though.

The "Data" document does give the relative Elo breakdown in the appendices.

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