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Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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>Rep. Johnson: Does Apple treat every app and every developer the same? >Cook: “We treat every developer the same. We have open rules. It’s a rigorous process. Because we care about privacy and quality, we do look at every app before it goes on. We apply these rules equally to everyone.”

What is the consequence of such a blatantly false testimony to Congress?

In practice? None whatsoever. Even under oath.

After all, Congress critters constantly lie or spout nonsense, why should we ask more of those before them?

In principle, it's a crime. But, nobody will do anything about it, especially when it comes to a powerful white man.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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Of note, it appears that Netflix’s gripe wasn’t so much about the 70/30 split as colloquially observed, but that Apple’s IAP saw more “voluntary churn” than Netflix’s direct purchase.

Am I reading that right? Would this churn discrepancy apply to other services besides Netflix (like developer tools, access to smaller content libraries, etc)? Finally, what did Apple do to address their “voluntary churn” problem?

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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Steve Jobs and Tim Cook are the iPhone Al Capone. There's no technical reason software needs to be distributed this way. It's only greed. I hope this mounting evidence leads to a single verdict from the DOJ: "no more app stores" for common computing devices. (Please don't rehash the video game console argument.)

You don’t think the security/trust argument has any merit?

Obviously not the OP, but figured I'll give my unsolicited opinion anyway.

I think there's "merit" to it, in that the logic holds: if we restrict the apps in an app store to be selected by a trusted entity then we can more likely trust the app. This computes, I think it's reasonable enough logic, but we could extend this further to something farcical too: I could make my phone "unhackable" and "more secure" by throwing it into a wood chipper. It would be impossible to hack, there's virtually no chance of my personal details leaking because of it, but of course I lose access to features of the phone (or in this case the entire phone itself). A corporation (or any large entity) will always be able to justify a restriction as a means of "increased security". Security vulnerabilities will almost always come from being able to actually use a computer as a computer.

This wouldn't inherently be a problem if it weren't for the fact that there are plenty of things things that are perfectly legal, but Apple won't approve, presumably out of fears of legal headaches, like video game console emulators.

My "solution" to approximate something decent would be to do something more or less akin to what macOS does. By default, don't allow any sideloading and only allow things to be installed via the App Store. If one would like to install something outside of the app store, they must (on a per-app basis) go into the security settings and allow things. This would still give preferential treatment to the App Store, but would allow people who know what they're doing to go around this.

NOTE: I'm aware of the self-signing AltStore thing, and it's definitely a step in the right direction, if still a bigger pain in the ass than it should be.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but why limit this to tech companies? Let's also apply this to banks, landlords, governments, grocery chains, and employers in general. Why should I not get the best wages, negotiated employment agreement, interest rates, lease terms, and deal with the IRS on taxes that I really don't want to pay as my most successful peer? Banks bend over backwards for their VIP customers, why shouldn't they do the same for me…

Any of those a monopoly?

Technically or reasonably speaking?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t think the security/trust argument has any merit?

I trust my own judgement, thank you very much. I don't need Big Daddy Apple making all my decisions for me. Also, that has absolutely nothing to do with banning third party payment processors for IAPs. That is just criminal, or well, it should be.

>Also, that has absolutely nothing to do with banning third party payment processors for IAPs. That is just criminal, or well, it should be.

I find this sentiment interesting vs the juxtaposition that Netflix wanted off of IAP because Apple makes it too easy to cancel your subscription.

I've always viewed the current tension over the App Store not to be Apple vs. Users, but Apple vs. Scumbag Developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but why limit this to tech companies? Let's also apply this to banks, landlords, governments, grocery chains, and employers in general. Why should I not get the best wages, negotiated employment agreement, interest rates, lease terms, and deal with the IRS on taxes that I really don't want to pay as my most successful peer? Banks bend over backwards for their VIP customers, why shouldn't they do the same for me…

Having this requirement when dealing with tech monopolies is uniquely helpful because in some cases there is no alternative. We can always rent, shop or bank other places. I'd argue where there isn't a thriving marketplace of choice monopolies should have to have the same rules with all their partners.

You can always use other software as well. The only reason HN believe Apple to be a monopoly is because the product they purchased does what it was advertised to do - security through chain of trust via an good-but-imperfect organization. It's only a legal monopoly if the courts say so, and the judge in Epic v Apple defined the market in a way that actually made sense - they aren't a monopoly on mobile game purchases, but they did took anticompetitive actions in that market to stifle competition.

> I'd argue where there isn't a thriving marketplace of choice monopolies should have to have the same rules with all their partners.

They can't have a monopoly on iPhones because the iPhone isn't a market - it's a device where the App Store is the killer feature. There are other products you can buy that compete with the iPhone and its app store.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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Steve Jobs and Tim Cook are the iPhone Al Capone. There's no technical reason software needs to be distributed this way. It's only greed. I hope this mounting evidence leads to a single verdict from the DOJ: "no more app stores" for common computing devices. (Please don't rehash the video game console argument.)

> (Please don't rehash the video game console argument.)

Why not?

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Tech companies that reach monopoly scale (like Apple, Facebook, Amazon) should have to disclose all their agreements and honor a "Most Favored Nation" clause giving all companies the same pricing and access as the best negotiated agreement with any one company. This is the most reasonable way I can think of without breaking them up to prevent them picking winners and losers as new opportunities emerge. If you have a…

Sure, but why limit this to tech companies? Let's also apply this to banks, landlords, governments, grocery chains, and employers in general. Why should I not get the best wages, negotiated employment agreement, interest rates, lease terms, and deal with the IRS on taxes that I really don't want to pay as my most successful peer? Banks bend over backwards for their VIP customers, why shouldn't they do the same for me…

You snark, but legally preventing banks from offering better rates to favored clients would probably be a good thing for society and the banks themselves. After all, plenty of charming and well liked clients have turned out to be terrible credit risks.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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>Rep. Johnson: Does Apple treat every app and every developer the same? >Cook: “We treat every developer the same. We have open rules. It’s a rigorous process. Because we care about privacy and quality, we do look at every app before it goes on. We apply these rules equally to everyone.”

Presumably any video platform could apply for the "Video Partner Program" mentioned in the email.

...which that email says in the very same sentence is different from the "unique arrangement" they have with Netflix.
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