So what's the Plan 9 filesystem interface for GPUs and/or 3D acceleration?
Plan 9 Desktop Guide
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Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide
#32This is worse than retrocomputing; it's necrocomputing, a pathetic attempt to mate with the corpse of a dead concept operating system. Instead of drawing any interesting lessons from Plan 9 for OS and distributed system design, it's an attempt to turn a burned-out wreck into a daily driver, generally by redefining driving as "sitting in a car and making brrr noises". They are remarkably honest about it: "There is no…
Seems the above posting is botty. Text generated by one of those Ai influop language models? Anyway, you can decide for yourself if Plan 9 is for you by following along the 9SDF Boot Camp. They are two weeks in and the journey ends 10dec. A lot of quality of life experiences is lost stepping from a modern GNU Emacs/Linux/BSD platform to gain the 9p simplicity concept oriented connectivity. Apple could do worse than transition macOS from its FreeBSD foundation to Plan 9 coupling with a variety of new ISA. Compiling to multiple objtypes on Plan 9 would put a smile on Larry Tesler up there in heaven seated next to Steve Jobs doing a demo.
Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide
#33So it is or it is not possible to run X11 on Plan 9 ? The article says that it runs twm and then later that it is possible to run linux program through an emulation layer.
More than 10 years ago I ran one by fgb named "equis".
Only reference I can find quickly is here https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/x11_installation/index.html
I used it with the linux emulation layer someone was building to run Mozilla on Plan 9, but none of those were continued as far as I know.
Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide
#34SDF recently started hosting a Plan 9 bootcamp.
Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you see as significant advantages of Dis over WASM? [edit: my guess would be channel support, but it would be interesting to hear more about that]
Its not so much dis but the whole concept of an OS built on top of a VM. This means the entirety of user space is portable across platforms. There is no way to run native code. It is possible to port wasm to inferno and replace dis. That could open up some interesting possibilities. You could write code in any language, spit out wasm and run it on any cpu/OS via inferno.
Welcome to Burroughs (nowadays ClearPath MCP), Xerox PARC workstations, UCSD Pascal, Lilith, Oberon, IBM i and z/OS, and a couple more.
J2ME, Windows Phone 7, watchOS and Android are arguably the closest to it in mainstream computing.
Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide
#36This is worse than retrocomputing; it's necrocomputing, a pathetic attempt to mate with the corpse of a dead concept operating system. Instead of drawing any interesting lessons from Plan 9 for OS and distributed system design, it's an attempt to turn a burned-out wreck into a daily driver, generally by redefining driving as "sitting in a car and making brrr noises". They are remarkably honest about it: "There is no…
Seems the above posting is botty. Text generated by one of those Ai influop language models? Anyway, you can decide for yourself if Plan 9 is for you by following along the 9SDF Boot Camp. They are two weeks in and the journey ends 10dec. A lot of quality of life experiences is lost stepping from a modern GNU Emacs/Linux/BSD platform to gain the 9p simplicity concept oriented connectivity. Apple could do worse than t…
>Seems the above posting is botty. Text generated by one of those Ai influop language models?
How so? GP's post may be a little bit too harsh, but it's definitely well written and coherent.
Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not so much dis but the whole concept of an OS built on top of a VM. This means the entirety of user space is portable across platforms. There is no way to run native code. It is possible to port wasm to inferno and replace dis. That could open up some interesting possibilities. You could write code in any language, spit out wasm and run it on any cpu/OS via inferno.
Welcome to Burroughs (nowadays ClearPath MCP), Xerox PARC workstations, UCSD Pascal, Lilith, Oberon, IBM i and z/OS, and a couple more. J2ME, Windows Phone 7, watchOS and Android are arguably the closest to it in mainstream computing.
> J2ME, Windows Phone 7, watchOS and Android are arguably the closest to it in mainstream computing.
From my pointy of view none of these come close. The interesting part of Inferno is that it only runs Dis code. It can not exec native code. All the platforms you listed save for j2me (which is not anything like inferno save for being a vm) are OS's which run native code or exec a vm.
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#38There is just something about these 'old' Operating Systems that takes me back to my super geeky youth :)
Sitting in my bedroom with my 386 and trying to install Linux from stiffies and getting IPChains to dnsmasq/forward basically share the dial up connection for 'the house' lol the other 386 !
#GoodTimes :)
Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems the above posting is botty. Text generated by one of those Ai influop language models? Anyway, you can decide for yourself if Plan 9 is for you by following along the 9SDF Boot Camp. They are two weeks in and the journey ends 10dec. A lot of quality of life experiences is lost stepping from a modern GNU Emacs/Linux/BSD platform to gain the 9p simplicity concept oriented connectivity. Apple could do worse than t…
>Seems the above posting is botty. Text generated by one of those Ai influop language models? How so? GP's post may be a little bit too harsh, but it's definitely well written and coherent.
Yeah, I wish I could unflag it.
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#40This is by far the most comprehensive Plan 9 walkthrough I've read in the past couple of years. I've been running a Raspberry Pi as an all-in-one Plan 9 setup for a long while now (as a sort of catch-all minimalist dev environment/console), and the two main showstoppers for me have been: - The reliance on a three button mouse, which makes it impossible to use Plan 9 on a modern laptop without finagling with modifier…
+1 on the browser issue. So much of basic development these days requires a browser (I'm even using one to read this Plan 9 Desktop Guide) that not having one hosted by the OS moves the OS from "Desktop development" to "Embedded system development" for all practical purposes for me.