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China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

It's ok to not like crypto but how about sticking to the truth? * There's many things much more volatile than crypto, the biggest markets being vix if you're a hedgefund and pretty much all derivates like options if you're a gambling man. btc in particular is only 2x from many traditional markets: https://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-volatility-vs-other-asset... * The second part of only 5% making a profit is made up a…

I also wonder when people voicing environmental concerns will accept that there's a whole slew of newer Proof-of-stake blockchains that aren't using that much energy.

One example being Algorand which is carbon neutral: https://www.algorand.com/resources/blog/how-algorand-offsets...

Oh and speaking of usage of crypto in China - i wonder how that affects VET / VeChain which is, largely, used by Walmart China to track their wares:

https://seevechain.com/contracts https://www.vechain.com/

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

#34
post #18

I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

So don't use it duh

It’s an externalities problem. I can not use it, but I can’t opt out of the climate impact.

(Save the “it’s not really that bad” arguments, I’ve heard all the industry’s gaslighting, but their claims don’t match reality)

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please educate yourself harder before making these ignorant statements, unless you have a motive behind

Instead of downvoting I decided to write this comment. I don't agree with the sentiment of the parent either, but: * Assume the best interpretation of a comment [1]. * Keep it on topic * Don't attack the person, also not implicitly (e.g. "please educate yourself", don't say that) Reread: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html One can claim many things about the parent comment. But it's all directed to the t…

Got it, will make better comments next time

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

#36

I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

Europe is currently facing electricity and chip shortages. Banning crypto in the EU would be an acceptable measure for addressing that.

Only PoW cryptos need extensive electricity and hardware. Its completely absurd to ban crypto. Thats like if you would ban all motorized vehicles to get rid of coal blasting diesel trucks without catalytic converter.

Needless to say that its also technically impossible to ban crypto. Its like banning torrents or even harder and we all know torrent was attacked heavily in the past but it did not go away.

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

#37

I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

> energy consumption is beyond acceptable

Do you have any resources or studies to describe this more? I have really struggled to find actually nuanced discussions and unbiased sources for this. It’s all at the extremes of it’s either the worst thing ever to not a problem at all.

I’d also be interested in comparisons to energy usage of say servers that run Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, etc.

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

#38

I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

“Nothing more volatile…” erm energy prices in the UK just jumped 70% and it’s not to do with crypto, co2 supply shrank to levels never seen before again nothing to do with crypto both of which affect whole populations. Try to avoid crypto hyperbole. Lastly, I don’t know anybody invested in crypto that hasn’t made money, so anecdotally that indicates the number is much higher than 5%.

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

Define volatile. The only currency that has stood the test of time is gold, a private currency. Every fiat currency in history has failed.

Probably because heads of state like to print it to solve their short term problems essentially robbing everyone with an inflation tax. I dont call that stable or just. I work and save and expect my currency to hold up and not be abused which is not happening currently.

Edit: HN must be the worst platform in existence to debate. I have about 700 karma and cant comment more than 3 times on this thread. Your rules are not helping discussion or clearing clutter, they're just really annoying. Retrac: no ive hit a limit and cant respond anymore on the whole thread even with only a few comments.

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

Europe is currently facing electricity and chip shortages. Banning crypto in the EU would be an acceptable measure for addressing that.

Does anyone mine in Europe? I can't imagine that, considering the cost of electricity here.
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