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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by threatofrain »

Dah00n wrote: post #24
threatofrain wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is complying with court rulings, including the judgment that Apple's contract with Epic is valid and enforceable. Apple could hypothetically ban all of Epic's accounts forever, but only the Fortnite account is banned. This appears to be a win for... payment vendors. At this point Epic can only hope for legislative action. Also on the "reasonableness" of Epic's promises... I'm not sure why making a pinky promise…

>Apple could hypothetically ban all of Epic's accounts forever That is just plain wrong. There's no difference in Apple banning all Epic accounts over this and Apple Banning Microsoft or you for what Epic did. Epic is not one company, each account is a different business. Banning different companies in different countries and continents because of a brand name would get Apple sued into oblivion and would likely be th…

> (2) a declaration that (i) Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion.

Why do you think this is plain wrong?

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by dubcanada »

Aerroon wrote: post #13
jasode wrote: post #8

It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

I don't think that quote is quite as apt though. Epic seems to be in far less trouble than Apple. Epic might not have gained what they wanted, but a lot of it is a giant like of evidence about Apple for other countries and cases.

How is the most wealthy company in the world in trouble? Epic made 5 billion last year most from a game that can easily be replaced and will eventually (they all eventually get replaced), Apple has 200 billion in cash just sitting there and makes 60 billion a year on average. They are not even close.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by gameswithgo »

jasode wrote: post #8

It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

Tim is in the fight for idealogical reasons, not calculated business ones.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by didibus »

Jensson wrote: post #16
threatofrain wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is complying with court rulings, including the judgment that Apple's contract with Epic is valid and enforceable. Apple could hypothetically ban all of Epic's accounts forever, but only the Fortnite account is banned. This appears to be a win for... payment vendors. At this point Epic can only hope for legislative action. Also on the "reasonableness" of Epic's promises... I'm not sure why making a pinky promise…

But wasn't Epic banned just because they broke that rule the court now ordered Apple not to enforce? Isn't it strange that this lawsuit would result in Apple now being able to enforce that rule only for Epic and they aren't allowed to enforce it for anyone else? Is that how it is supposed to work?

> Is that how it is supposed to work?

Yup, the judge ordered Epic to pay some millions to Apple in damages.

So it said something like, Epic was wrong to do what they did and did break their contract, but also said from now on that Apple can't prevent devs from steering customers to outside the App Store payments.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by zepto »

kevingadd wrote: post #29
sva_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they'd charge much less. The price is mostly determined with what they believe people will pay.

They literally offered a sizable discount when they pulled this stunt.

That was a stunt.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by vimy »

jasode wrote: post #8

It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

I don’t think Epic intended to win the lawsuit. It’s part of a broader strategy to force lawmakers to change app store rules.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by golemotron »

vimy wrote: post #36
jasode wrote: post #8

It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

I don’t think Epic intended to win the lawsuit. It’s part of a broader strategy to force lawmakers to change app store rules.

The company that buys the remains of Epic can carry on with the lawsuit, I guess.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by Jensson »

dubcanada wrote: post #32
Aerroon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that quote is quite as apt though. Epic seems to be in far less trouble than Apple. Epic might not have gained what they wanted, but a lot of it is a giant like of evidence about Apple for other countries and cases.

How is the most wealthy company in the world in trouble? Epic made 5 billion last year most from a game that can easily be replaced and will eventually (they all eventually get replaced), Apple has 200 billion in cash just sitting there and makes 60 billion a year on average. They are not even close.

This lawsuit will cost Apple way more than Epic. It might not hurt Apple that much as a percentage, but in absolute terms it will hurt them plenty. There is a reason they fight this so fervently.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by Jensson »

golemotron wrote: post #37
vimy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Epic intended to win the lawsuit. It’s part of a broader strategy to force lawmakers to change app store rules.

The company that buys the remains of Epic can carry on with the lawsuit, I guess.

Epic isn't going anywhere, the appstore wasn't a very significant part of their income. They wouldn't have picked this fight if they couldn't afford it.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by doctor_eval »

kevingadd wrote: post #29
sva_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they'd charge much less. The price is mostly determined with what they believe people will pay.

They literally offered a sizable discount when they pulled this stunt.

The whole stunt was planned by Epic well in advance. Offering an outside payment option without lowering the price would have undermined their entire argument.

Make no mistake, when the dust settles, consumers will pay the same amount, but Epic will get to keep more of it.

There is nothing wrong with Epic wanting to increase its margins, but doing so under the rubric of helping the customer does get under my skin a bit.

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