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Return of the Mac (2005)

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Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#31

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

That is pretty much like complaining why your new car has no built-in right of way.

Sure, keyboard shortcuts are different. But you kind of knew that beforehand, right? Seriously, if that is your biggest complaint, how did you ever get used to Linux?

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#32
post #11

Why do hackers like Macs that much? Wouldn't it be better to use cross-platform tools?

Macs are high-end machines and come with a sane OS on them, with support from the manufacturer. The last two issues together: sane OS, manufacturer support, basically knock out the rest of the market.

A sane OS would let me delete a file with the delete key(!).

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#33

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

* Command-V to paste.

* Command-F3/the Exposé function button to reveal the desktop (on Apple keyboards, or you can change it; just search for Exposé in System Preferences).

* Enable right click in System Preferences > Mouse or Trackpad.

It just takes a little getting used to. But in the end all that really matters is what makes you most productive. All this elitism is stupid.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#34

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

I bought a Mac two years ago for iPhone dev (which I ended up not doing), and in my opinion you don't have to switch to a Mac if you are already a Linux user. I still prefer Linux.

The only problem is buying any other notebooks that are good. It is very difficult to find notebooks with acceptable design and specs.

I have to say I am not a Mac power user. I am too lazy to learn gestures (and hence don't want to update to Lion, either). I never use the F3 to show the desktop because I keep forgetting the key (Linux and Windows have clickable icons in the taskbar, much better for me).

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#35
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs are high-end machines and come with a sane OS on them, with support from the manufacturer. The last two issues together: sane OS, manufacturer support, basically knock out the rest of the market.

A sane OS would let me delete a file with the delete key(!).

You use the command key to issue commands and raw keys to type. So: command-delete means it's fast and easy to delete a file without the worry of accidentally losing a file when your cat jumps on the keyboard.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#36
post #8

I have always used Macs and good lord, the days of Mac OS X being out but the processors not being Intel were truly some of the most embarrassing years for Apple computing. I remember owning (and loving - for some reason) an iBook G3 that was basically unusable for a few months whilst I awaited more RAM for it. I think this was when their laptops had 64Mb RAM but Mac OS X really needed 512Mb. And remember when Mac OS…

One important thing that might be important for a lot of people to ditch their PCs in favour of an iPad is a decent Office app (Word and Excel mainly). It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be good enough.

Does anyone here know and use a good iPad Office app, that I can recommend to people? The store reviews of the top apps don't seem too encouraging.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#37
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs are high-end machines and come with a sane OS on them, with support from the manufacturer. The last two issues together: sane OS, manufacturer support, basically knock out the rest of the market.

A sane OS would let me delete a file with the delete key(!).

It does. You just have to add the Command key.

Command-Shift-Delete empties the trash, finalizing the action.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#38

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

> Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues.

You seem to hit issues because you want to hit them.

> Paste is crazy squiggly hash v (or maybe apple v?)

The key is called "command". Does "Command V" not make more sense than "Control V"? And free up the Control key for more interesting stuff?

> I can't right click

You can, unless it's a 4+ years old machine it's just a preference (if you're using a trackpad). Any 2+ buttons mouse will natively "right click". Even on older machine, Ctrl+click will open a contextual menu.

> I can't win+d to the desktop

"Show Desktop" is natively bound to Command-F3 on modern macs, on older ones it was on F11. It may also be bound to an active corner.

> So, go ahead, someone sell me on Macs.

Don't know if that will sell you. For me it was a combination of several things:

* Unix environment with an actually useable terminal. By default. Even in 10.3/10.4 (and Terminal has come a long way since then). cmd.exe never "felt" right, I never found a windows shell worth using (even Putty is a pain), and if you're going to remote log into a nix machine anyway why not use one in the first place?

Spotlight works much, much better than Windows Search, and dedicated launcher applications (QS, Alfred, QSB, Butler, etc...) take that a step further

* 99% of the time, managing applications is Simply Easier. No fudging around with installer or painfully browsing to your Program Files folder (and wondering if the soft is 32 or 64b and in which program files you should put it and if you should create a shortcut so the bloody windows search can find it and...). Instead, open your archive (zip or dmg), drop the .app bundle in the Applications directory (via the dock or your finder sidebar) and launch it whenever. You can even launch it right there, nothing to do, no time wasted.

* A thriving indie community with loads of good software at fair price. I did buy licenses one Windows, but not many, and I did not find much which made me go "damn I have to give these guys some dough back for their work", even after I stopped being a poor student.

* Package managers. Whichever your pick is between Macports, Fink and Homebrew having one is invaluable.

* The machine is generally useable as is. Even if you don't download anything it can be used, you have a good PDF & image viewer (Preview is fairly amazing), lots of serviceable software, and it does not "feel" as clunky as windows long did.

Only negative I've found is that Finder is not as good as the Windows Explorer. Though with Windows 7, they've become significantly closer in that search has become shit in 7's explorer.

Essentially, OSX is a full unix with a bearable interface, softed by people who care.

Now if you don't do any dev on your box, it might lose some of its appeal.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#39
post #11

Why do hackers like Macs that much? Wouldn't it be better to use cross-platform tools?

> Why do hackers like Macs that much? Wouldn't it be better to use cross-platform tools? I think a lot of us like OS X because we get a Unix build environment with a fairly slick GUI and good third-party app support. Being able to use the same OS for day-to-day tasks (Word docs, Photoshop/Lightroom, etc) and for development is nice, and despite some inconsistencies, the quality of third-party applications is pretty h…

This is exactly what I say when I explain why I like using a mac. Also the touchpad is amazing. For most of my day-to-day tasks its better than a mouse. I would have never imagined that this was possible.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#40

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

As for leaving windows, just leave. It doesn't matter where. There's a pain to using windows you just get used to, it's just more of a subtle irritation that comes from using a system where the creators didn't want to make something particularly good. It's literally painful for me to use windows now that I don't do it very often anymore. There are just so many little things that hurt that I just can't do it. I start…

They care so much they bind execute to cmd-down rather than the completely sensible Enter.
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