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Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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What's the end game of the Spanish org? What are they trying to achieve with this?

Getting a foothold. Spain doesn’t operate on the same level as other European countries when it comes to some things, banking and trademarks would be two good examples of this.

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Email has had threading since before I was born.

Email has never had explicit threading - email has a bunch of usage habits that many clients interpret as attempted threading (which often results in threads of steam receipts in my gmail webview FYI). There are a number of clients that are particularly good at respecting the specific approaches to threading used by mailing lists and that come with a plethora of powerful keyboard interactions to make browsing a whole…

You've been downvoted but I believe your post is accurate. At least with regards to IMAP and any RFCs I've read myself, though I'm open to hearing from others. Much of email is absolutely implemented in client-side 'de-facto' ways.

edit: I see now in the RFC that there is a description.

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Email has had threading since before I was born.

Email has never had explicit threading - email has a bunch of usage habits that many clients interpret as attempted threading (which often results in threads of steam receipts in my gmail webview FYI). There are a number of clients that are particularly good at respecting the specific approaches to threading used by mailing lists and that come with a plethora of powerful keyboard interactions to make browsing a whole…

> Email has never had explicit threading

The "In-Reply-To" header is described in rfc2822. It is an explicit header in the RFC that is how you create threads.

Every mail client I've used correctly understands how to thread reply-chains using In-Reply-To.

The thing you're talking about, steam receipts grouping, is not a feature of email, but a specific feature of gmail's web view which is not mandated by any RFC and indeed is not explicit threading...

But there is a real way to thread which is defined in the RFC, and if you use a reasonable email client (aka not gmail), every mailing list's threading will work for you.

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Perhaps I am alone is this (based on the votes) but when I go to https://www.postgresql.org/list/ it requires a great deal of clicking to drill down and lets say I eventually end up some where like https://www.postgresql.org/list/pgsql-general/2021-09/ I am greeted with a lot "Re:" "No subject" etc. Perhaps what is comes down to is I am trying to interact with a mailing list using a browser which is perhaps unfair. I…

So the downvotes on your perfectly legitimate comment are absurd, but here we are. To get technical, the problem that you're having isn't that interacting with mailing lists is cumbersome, but rather, interacting with mailing list archives is cumbersome. You're not wrong. Web interfaces for mailing list archives haven't really changed in yonks, and there's little incentive to do so. The only people who use the archiv…

Is there a good primer on how exactly to even use a mailing list in an efficient way? I always thought the entry point was through the archives, but I guess that's not correct?

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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This group attempted to register the trademark by extension to the USPTO and was denied for several reasons. Reason #2 for the denial was "Likelihood of Confusion" and points at the existing PostgreSQL trademark on file.

https://www3.wipo.int/madrid/monitor/en/showData.jsp?ID=ROM.... -> Real-time Status and then -> Documents -> United States of America -> (PDF link) https://madrid.wipo.int/documentaccess/documentAccess?docid=...

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Linux has had the LKML for almost three decades. It still works well for them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_mailing_list

Does it? I find it really cumbersome. We were just interacting with it the other day and found it annoyingly baroque. There's a lot of assumed knowledge and I've read a fair bit of documentation and have been following Kernel development since before my career. It "works" for the people who it works for and that's it.

Ok, what would you suggest in it's place?

Re: Trademark Actions Against the PostgreSQL Community

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Does it? I find it really cumbersome. We were just interacting with it the other day and found it annoyingly baroque. There's a lot of assumed knowledge and I've read a fair bit of documentation and have been following Kernel development since before my career. It "works" for the people who it works for and that's it.

Ok, what would you suggest in it's place?

I don't have to suggest anything in its place. I'm just relaying that I've actually interacted with it for years and have found it cumbersome, and I don't think it's fair to say that it's "worked" as if it hasn't made first-contributions significantly harder for a lot of people.

At this point I might suggest Gitlab, but I don't really feel like having a back and forth about what may or may not be ideal about that.

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