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Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

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Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

#31

"crash" not very accurate choice of words... exchange rate dip maybe better?

If any fiat currency would go down 15% we'd call it a crash.

USD/GBP fell 19% after the brexit-referendum, that was an abnormal noteworthy event with quite far-reaching consequences.

For BTC it's a daily occurence...

Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

#32

One argument critics bring in I don't understand is that Bitcoin is too volatile to be a currency. If a zoned market solely accept Bitcoin and a good costs say 1 BTC, why does it matter if the BTC-to-USD price is increasing or decreasing? For the zoned market it's still 1 BTC for said good.

> If a zoned market solely accept Bitcoin and a good costs say 1 BTC The problem is that nobody selling regular goods WANTS to sell his goods with a fixed bitcoin price; the volatility of bitcoin would make it easy for buyers to buy the goods only when their prices where especially low in non-crazy-volatile currency and resell the goods at a favorable price immediately. There's arbitrage there

This is true of other currencies (usd being the global reserve currency) as well though.

No sellers want the Argentine peso or Zimbabwean dollar either.

Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

#33

I appreciate this has been debated extensively already - but while crypto currency (especially stable coins) can be a worthwhile alternative to fiat money, bitcoin really isn't. A significant crash or surge happens every couple of weeks.

Stable coins are not "crypto" currencies. They have black lists (similar to your bank's fraud department) and they are backed by deposited money (so there is trusted issuer who promises to redeem them for actual cash). So 2 key features of a crypto-currency are lacking in stablecoins: censorship-resistance and absence of centralized trusted parties. That you can move them on a blockchain (as long as permitted) with y…

What about algorithmic stable coins like Dai, Terra, Fei, USDN, or cUSD? You still move them using your private key, but at least there's no centralized blocklist.

Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

#34

It's normal BTC behavior, BTC spikes up and goes down all the time. 10-15% per day moves happen regularly. Open the price chart and look at it.

Which is why BTC is an asset and not a currency. Currencies need stability of value so that everyone doesn't have to update their prices ever few hours: https://simplicable.com/new/money But maybe in the new world, all prices can be in digital and thus ever changing?

Would pricing in another unit cause more issues or solve issues?

If customers paid a conversion to some unit each time, and conversion is determined at point of sale. One customer may pay 100pBTC for a loaf of bread, and another may pay 101pBTC.

Does that help, or make things worse?

Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

#35

One argument critics bring in I don't understand is that Bitcoin is too volatile to be a currency. If a zoned market solely accept Bitcoin and a good costs say 1 BTC, why does it matter if the BTC-to-USD price is increasing or decreasing? For the zoned market it's still 1 BTC for said good.

The world does not work like that, if they starts selling bananas for 1btc (or 0.0000001, but in 3years the btc price goes to 500k) people from all over the world would go to el salvador to sell bananas to send btc abroad. i dont get why they didn't enforce the use of a stablecoin in addition of btc tho, that would be better

Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

#36

It's normal BTC behavior, BTC spikes up and goes down all the time. 10-15% per day moves happen regularly. Open the price chart and look at it.

IMO this is a likely explanation (includes timestamp): https://youtu.be/lEromo3ly4Q?t=542

Wild volatility can occur whenever a rich person or rich group liquidates a lot of their holdings.

Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

#37

Unfortunate wording in the title. The price of Bitcoin "crashed" as in plummeted, and the Chivo wallet system they're trying to use in El Salvador "crashed" as in went offline. The Bitcoin network, of course, chugged merrily along, at its usual 4 or so txns/second.

Wait, is BTC really only doing 4 transactions a second? I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize this bad. Bitcoin is like a 1960s mainframe computer in an old bank headquarters that runs everything but is an archaic relic.

Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

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This is the finest example of propaganda. Just look at the photo of a dude with a fire in the backdrop. 1. For most people in El Salvador Bitcoin does not matter and will not matter for quite some time. 2. "Bitcoin crashes" to a value a week or so ago. This is usually called a "correction". Even when it was crashing 80%, it was from some very short-living speculative highs and it's now trading close to all-time-high…

Correction relative to what fundamental value? And what’s the difference between a speculative high and the normal price?

Hindsight? I am pretty sure that is what people are using for the definition.

If the new high didn't hold, it was speculative, if it did hold and it went up further, it was its normal pricing.

Re: Bitcoin’s first day as El Salvador’s legal tender

#40

One argument critics bring in I don't understand is that Bitcoin is too volatile to be a currency. If a zoned market solely accept Bitcoin and a good costs say 1 BTC, why does it matter if the BTC-to-USD price is increasing or decreasing? For the zoned market it's still 1 BTC for said good.

Unless the zoned market is fully self-sufficient, it would still rely on trading without outsiders. The trade between the zoned market and the outside would still cause the volatility to leak into the market.
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