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BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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GoodReads is all but dead for many. A few months ago, they deprecated their API keys (without notice). I started building a GoodReads-equivalent but realized that many people care more about learning from multiple media formats (blogs, videos, research papers, interactive explorables, podcasts, courses etc) rather than simply reading books. Because there are too many projects attempting to build a new GoodReads, I en…

Where do you get the books from? I'm often surprised when I start reading an obscure Dutch second hand book that Goodreads has it. Is the ISBN database open data?

OpenLibrary (relatively less known project by Internet Archive) is doing good work on collecting identifiers for books and works, which LearnAwesome leverages. But if you check in app/utilities/book.rb, you will notice that we have our own data enrichment pipeline to work with multiple sources.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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It really feels like "federated" is to tech geeks (i.e. HN people) what "blockchain" is to a lot of non-tech people. What does federated do for me at all in solving this problem?

None of this federated stuff will ever gain mainstream acceptance. I would bet my house on it. It adds multiple layers of complexity and a ton of UX trade-off, and doesn't solve any problems for a typical user.

It's the main difference between the WWW and the centralized information systems that came before it.

I remember seeing the first Web pages at CERN, clicking through them a bit and being unimpressed. You sound like me back then.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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post #14

It really feels like "federated" is to tech geeks (i.e. HN people) what "blockchain" is to a lot of non-tech people. What does federated do for me at all in solving this problem?

None of this federated stuff will ever gain mainstream acceptance. I would bet my house on it. It adds multiple layers of complexity and a ton of UX trade-off, and doesn't solve any problems for a typical user.

I agree in terms of users running their own thing.

What I do imagine will happen is that one instance takes off, gets itself a board or VC to answer to, removes activitypub, runs away with the win

Tech people will be mad but overall nobody will be able to do anything about it as they'll just ground-up rewrite eventually. The users won't care about the drama at all

Money is a bastard

I'd love to be wrong on it and I'm not just sitting here doom'n and gloom'n, I'm trying to ActivityPub-enable all of my projects as it happens! I do believe it's something to watch out for though

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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"A portion of the proceeds go towards the Yunakin land tax." An _Anti Corporate_ organisation adopting a very corporate measure in my view. If taxes could lead to justice, then native Americans would be far less prone to poverty, alcoholism and depression. About the product itself, it's hard to see how this is an alternative to goodreads. The federation is designed in a way that silos communities. A great model for d…

> The federation is designed in a way that silos communities. You seem to have taken the exact opposite view of what anyone in the fediverse would consider this as. This is many connected communities. Not siloed. That's what "decentralized" means, their very first major point on the website. If there's real gaps in how federation works to connect, the fediverse is happy to discuss, adapt, & adopt: bring on your more…

Sorry I wasn't clear with what I meant stating silos. And I'm all for decentralisation, and value the open effort of Bookwyrm.

Silo: the federation aspect, from what I understand of the currently hosted communities using this tech is making the exploration of books contained within each federated host. Maybe I am wrong in which case I will retract my critic. Peertube suffers the same problem. So a constructive comment would be: decentralisation is great, and if the federation design bridges the gap so that information from each node in the system can be searched then that's a rock solid solution as a repository of books information, reviews and discussions.

Please accept my apologise, I certainly came off as negative and the comment I made was not deserved , especially considering the free and open effort there.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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GoodReads is all but dead for many. A few months ago, they deprecated their API keys (without notice). I started building a GoodReads-equivalent but realized that many people care more about learning from multiple media formats (blogs, videos, research papers, interactive explorables, podcasts, courses etc) rather than simply reading books. Because there are too many projects attempting to build a new GoodReads, I en…

GoodReads isn't about learning though. It's about books. I think there's value and potential in the niche you've chosen. I want to point out that the "learning" niche is very different than the "book review" niche and comes with its own set of very strong competitors.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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GoodReads is all but dead for many. A few months ago, they deprecated their API keys (without notice). I started building a GoodReads-equivalent but realized that many people care more about learning from multiple media formats (blogs, videos, research papers, interactive explorables, podcasts, courses etc) rather than simply reading books. Because there are too many projects attempting to build a new GoodReads, I en…

Where do you get the books from? I'm often surprised when I start reading an obscure Dutch second hand book that Goodreads has it. Is the ISBN database open data?

If you mean ISBNs in general, that's not available. However plenty of libraries around the world do publish their own list of ISBNs, and you'll find dozens of datasets and search engines that combine those into one.

You're gonna have to move away from western languages entirely to find a book that's not available in one of those.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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What exactly is wrong with Goodreads? I keep hearing a lot of hate about it, but the reasons seem never expanded on.

I use Goodreads to maintain a public bookshelf of books I have read or want to read. It's also nice that I can check what my friends are reading. Occasionally it's nice to read other people's views on a book. I typically tend not to agree, but it's nice that these exist.

That's it. Isn't that what Goodreads is about? Seems like a nice website and perfectly suited for what it does. Am I missing something?

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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What exactly is wrong with Goodreads? I keep hearing a lot of hate about it, but the reasons seem never expanded on. I use Goodreads to maintain a public bookshelf of books I have read or want to read. It's also nice that I can check what my friends are reading. Occasionally it's nice to read other people's views on a book. I typically tend not to agree, but it's nice that these exist. That's it. Isn't that what Good…

Lots of discussions over the years about it here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904549

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24454221

For me it works ok. But that's because I like you only use it to track. But if the other stuff worked better I might have used that too. A better recommendation system. Not insane loading times would maybe make me browse more etc. So much untapped potential here.

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