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The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

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Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

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I find it representative of the sorry state of tech 'journalism' that anyone would think that a cell phone in 2021 is capable of satellite internet. A quick search will show anyone the size of even the smallest Starlink receiver and common sense dictates that current generation phones cannot have any meaningful signal strength connecting to even an LEO satellite.

It wouldn't even make any sense.

Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

#32

I find it representative of the sorry state of tech 'journalism' that anyone would think that a cell phone in 2021 is capable of satellite internet. A quick search will show anyone the size of even the smallest Starlink receiver and common sense dictates that current generation phones cannot have any meaningful signal strength connecting to even an LEO satellite.

I own a satellite transceiver for backcountry usage that enables me to SMS from anywhere in the world.

It weighs 3.5 ounces (including a rugged case), is only 2 or 3 inches tall and wide, was cheap, and is three or four years old.

Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will be no satellite internet on the iPhone 13.

pull-quote from the article: > Apple has created a mechanism that will ask users to be outdoors and walk in a certain direction to help the iPhone connect to a satellite. Linking to a network also won’t always be instantaneous, with testing of the feature indicating that it could sometimes take up to one minute to work.

Back in the days there were stories about Bloomberg writers getting paid more if their stories move the markets [1]. According to the linked article this one really did the job, "Globalstar, a satellite services business, had their shares soar 90% from mid-August lows"

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-reporters-compensa...

Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

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I find it representative of the sorry state of tech 'journalism' that anyone would think that a cell phone in 2021 is capable of satellite internet. A quick search will show anyone the size of even the smallest Starlink receiver and common sense dictates that current generation phones cannot have any meaningful signal strength connecting to even an LEO satellite.

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Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

#35

I find it representative of the sorry state of tech 'journalism' that anyone would think that a cell phone in 2021 is capable of satellite internet. A quick search will show anyone the size of even the smallest Starlink receiver and common sense dictates that current generation phones cannot have any meaningful signal strength connecting to even an LEO satellite.

...but Apple

Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

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post #29

I find it representative of the sorry state of tech 'journalism' that anyone would think that a cell phone in 2021 is capable of satellite internet. A quick search will show anyone the size of even the smallest Starlink receiver and common sense dictates that current generation phones cannot have any meaningful signal strength connecting to even an LEO satellite.

I agree it wasn’t going to happen, but I understand their confusion. Current satellite phones are the size of regular cellphones. That’s the equivalent of very low bandwidth internet access, but even low bandwidth access can still be really useful. https://www.g-comm.us/iridium-9555-satellite-phone.html Dropping that to something that fits in an iPhone would be a very significant improvement, but it hardly breaks the…

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Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out the Garmin inReach Mini or Rock Seven's RockBLOCK 9603. They're already relatively small -- I could imagine those circuits getting smooshed into a phone case. However, I doubt the connection would be anywhere close to half-decent. Would be useful for emergency text-messaging after a disaster, though.

>Would be useful for emergency text-messaging after a disaster, though. Disaster is probably the least useful use case for this. The satellite would be overloaded from all the people requesting help. A far more plausible use case is if you got lost hiking or something.

Or multicast down, but probably couldn’t get more than a few kbps without killer expenses.

Outernet was an application of this concept:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othernet

But reality is that cellular coverage world wide gets better and better.

Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

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It’s odd that this article is titled to state that the iphone 13 doesn’t have satellite internet, but the content states that it nevertheless will have some sort of satellite connectivity. Clickbait much?

The facts are: 1. The iPhone 13 will have a new chip 2. The new chip is capable of additional bands licensed by Globalstar 3. Globalstar happens to be a satellite company. Media thinks iPhone 13 can talk to satellites, when what it can really talk to is new 5G bands licensed by Globalstar. Also see https://twitter.com/saschasegan/status/1432156621690576900

Maybe it's more profitable for satcomm companies to just retire their fleet in general and relicense their spectrum to terrestrial wireless telcos.

Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

#39

I find it representative of the sorry state of tech 'journalism' that anyone would think that a cell phone in 2021 is capable of satellite internet. A quick search will show anyone the size of even the smallest Starlink receiver and common sense dictates that current generation phones cannot have any meaningful signal strength connecting to even an LEO satellite.

...but Apple

They can put in all in vast space they freed up when they took out the headphone jack.

Re: The iPhone 13 Does Not Have Satellite Internet, Band N53 and Globalstar

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post #29

I find it representative of the sorry state of tech 'journalism' that anyone would think that a cell phone in 2021 is capable of satellite internet. A quick search will show anyone the size of even the smallest Starlink receiver and common sense dictates that current generation phones cannot have any meaningful signal strength connecting to even an LEO satellite.

I agree it wasn’t going to happen, but I understand their confusion. Current satellite phones are the size of regular cellphones. That’s the equivalent of very low bandwidth internet access, but even low bandwidth access can still be really useful. https://www.g-comm.us/iridium-9555-satellite-phone.html Dropping that to something that fits in an iPhone would be a very significant improvement, but it hardly breaks the…

I think it slightly disingenuous to just pretend that big honkin’ antenna isn’t there and then say “it’s the size of regular cellphones”. My Motorola Startac from 25-30 years ago didn’t have an antenna that big.
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