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Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

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Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#31

Lowering sped limits within towns and residential areas increases the chances of a pedestrian surviving a collision with a vehicle, especially heavy good vehicles. Too many kids and old people are dying just because they walk out into the road without looking.

The top rated comment is a repetition of how great it is to drive at slow speed, how someone survives in a collision, and how too many people get into an accident.

Of course this comment is even worse: too many people die when walking when not looking.

What standard of responsibility for safety and well being are we putting on the person who goes outside their house?

I’m for low speeds and all but it has to come with a sense of rationale. And this argument can be argued for irrational limits.

Making Paris ped first and car second is great for peds. And it sort of does not acknowledge the benefits of cars. And that’s the problem.

Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#32
Honestly, for city centers, I'm pretty okay with this.

Highways are for fast traffic (and in many cases, imo, should have higher speed limits here in the US); but cities should be way slower.

Americans seem to like high (and still violated) speeds in cities and slow (legal but always violated) speeds on highways.

Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#33

Lowering sped limits within towns and residential areas increases the chances of a pedestrian surviving a collision with a vehicle, especially heavy good vehicles. Too many kids and old people are dying just because they walk out into the road without looking.

Lowering speed limits doesn't do much except maybe in North Korea or somewhere else where draconian enforcement to actually get compliance is palatable. It's well understood in civil engineering circles that people in aggregate drive what they consider to be the reasonable speed for the road and if you want slower traffic you need to play visual tricks to make that happen. On multi-lane roads lowering speed limits ma…

They also need to have narrower lanes.

Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#34
My city in the bay area has been switching to more bike friendly roads. Mainly narrowing down the car lanes (or removing one lane) to expand the bike lanes. Also intersections are narrowed down to make them pedestrian friendly. In some areas the bike lanes have physical separation. But they just started this conversion and its a work in progress. But to be honest, I don't see a lot of bikers in our area using it and people complain but the work goes on.

https://www.fremont.gov/3274/Walnut-Ave-Bikeway-Improvements

Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#35

Lowering sped limits within towns and residential areas increases the chances of a pedestrian surviving a collision with a vehicle, especially heavy good vehicles. Too many kids and old people are dying just because they walk out into the road without looking.

The top rated comment is a repetition of how great it is to drive at slow speed, how someone survives in a collision, and how too many people get into an accident. Of course this comment is even worse: too many people die when walking when not looking. What standard of responsibility for safety and well being are we putting on the person who goes outside their house? I’m for low speeds and all but it has to come with…

Systems have to work with human fallibility. Surely the biggest burden should fall on those whose inattention, carelessness, etc is most likely to cause harm to others.

Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#37
post #20

Kinda want to go rip around Paris in the middle of the lane on my bike now. Look you can't get mad I'm going over the limit!!

Can bicycle riders not get speeding tickets in Paris? Around me in the states, the cops can, and do occasionally, ticket bicycle riders going over the speed limit in school zones (20 mph at certain times of the day).

What if you don't have a bike computer, so don't know how fast you are going?

Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#38

Lowering sped limits within towns and residential areas increases the chances of a pedestrian surviving a collision with a vehicle, especially heavy good vehicles. Too many kids and old people are dying just because they walk out into the road without looking.

Only if they are enforced.

Even if they are not effectively enforced, I have noticed it means that the average idiot now goes at 45kph with a 30kph limit instead of say 65kph with a 50kph limit.

Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#39

Here in Paris, it is becoming a nightmare. The cityhall is led by incompetent and for a few years now they have started to do "media visible" demagogic actions without real thinking or discussion with the population. For cars for example, they don't really try to be intelligent and have the most efficient and fast mix of transportation. They just try to annoy as much as possible the car drivers even when it was not j…

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Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h

#40
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can bicycle riders not get speeding tickets in Paris? Around me in the states, the cops can, and do occasionally, ticket bicycle riders going over the speed limit in school zones (20 mph at certain times of the day).

What if you don't have a bike computer, so don't know how fast you are going?

Then you still get a ticket.

Every time I see an article about this, they always manage to quote someone in their "man on the street" copy that doesn't have a speedometer on their bike that still got a fine.

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