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Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Threads about censorship consistently remind me that HN is no different than any other social media platform, subject to users pushing various agendas and misinformation in support of those agendas.

There's nothing wrong with private businesses removing content they don't deem appropriate. There is also nothing wrong with silencing users obviously lying. Thinking differently totally misunderstands social media as a medium.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

Malicious?

Sort of. It's like shadowbanning/hellbanning. It solves a lot of problems for moderators and prevents angry people from escalating the situation into actually being banned.

I've used it before as a moderator. For the above reasons, but mostly because I'm lazy and don't want to deal with angry people. Still censorship though. I think that ideally censorship ought to be communicated.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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This has been happening for years. Just try sending a message containing the string `joebiden.info` and see what happens. We’re way past the rubicon. Get your information as best you can and just hope you’re somewhat aligned with the mainstream.

I just tried and it worked?

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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In case anyone is wondering what Pulitzer-prize winning piece she is attempting to share, check out her link yourself: https://gnews.org/1476750/ , as well as a fact-check disproving all of the dangerous and false claims inside: https://www.techarp.com/science/greenlight-ivermectin-japan/ I, for one, am glad Facebook is censoring this baseless pseudo-medical advice being given which has been responsible for a massive…

The whole Ivermectin thing is dumb and stupid. But are you seriously saying silent censorship of links in Messenger is okay?

Sure, its a private communication service. Why isnt it okay? You are using FB infrastructure to communicate, they absolutely should get a say in what you are allowed to share.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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I'm going to go on out on a limb and guess that this isn't really a case of censorship, because it's not like Facebook to not tell you directly that they've removed your content. Or they go the other route and post a disclaiming "fact check" under it.. but so far as silently removing posts, and marking them as "sent", seems more likely to be a bug.

When I attempt to navigate to gnews.org the site is very slow, and I wonder if Facebook is having trouble assigning some kind of risk factor to it, then giving up, but ends up sending a "success" response anyway, whereby the front end just assumes the message was sent property and pushes it to your message cache without attempting to fetch it over the network.

edit: since this has been down voted, could you explain why you think I'm wrong?

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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In case anyone is wondering what Pulitzer-prize winning piece she is attempting to share, check out her link yourself: https://gnews.org/1476750/ , as well as a fact-check disproving all of the dangerous and false claims inside: https://www.techarp.com/science/greenlight-ivermectin-japan/ I, for one, am glad Facebook is censoring this baseless pseudo-medical advice being given which has been responsible for a massive…

Good thing you're not supposed to be a fucking moron and take large doses, then, and actually get a prescription from a doctor.

Ivermectin is now well-known as a prophylactic against COVID-19 and its variants if administered in appropriate dosages.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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That messenger is subject to facebook's community guidelines is nothing new, Zuckerberg said so himself publicly in an interview a few years ago https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-confirms-scans-mess...

Your phrasing seems to imply that

- we should know that messenger being "subject to community guidelines" means silent censorship

- Zuckerberg saying something publicly means it is justified

I would disagree with both of those implied assumptions

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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post #18

It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

For another example of such totalitarian shenanigans consider the practice of "shadowbanning" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning

Ostensibly used for spam/troll countermeasures. In practice used to dick with whoever they choose for whatever reasons please their black little hearts.

Reddit and Twitter are notorious for it. Other "social media" organisms too.

AND ANOTHER MORE IMMEDIATE EXAMPLE

Consider the way that downvotes progressively remove a post from view.

It's a way of crowdsourcing the task of censorship.

Many hands make light work.

And the blame is neatly spread around.

And the actual shape of the censorship, the form being conformed to, is only indirectly controlled by the admins. Thus more blame neatly escaped.

It's goddamn elegant is what it is!

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