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Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by askvictor »

lolinder wrote: post #18

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28323688 Linking this here from the other thread, because the above comment cites the actual court documents, which clear up a lot of confusion I'm seeing on this thread. Apple's concession only applies to communications outside of the app using contact information obtained outside of the app . (Which, yes, was somehow disallowed before.) If your user signed up through the app? To…

I wonder if this will lead to apps not allowing the initial sign-up inside the app, thus potentially reducing usage of AppleID? Although it wouldn't surprise me if Apple were to forbid apps that don't allow in-app sign-up.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by gavanm »

askvictor wrote: post #31
lolinder wrote: post #18

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28323688 Linking this here from the other thread, because the above comment cites the actual court documents, which clear up a lot of confusion I'm seeing on this thread. Apple's concession only applies to communications outside of the app using contact information obtained outside of the app . (Which, yes, was somehow disallowed before.) If your user signed up through the app? To…

I wonder if this will lead to apps not allowing the initial sign-up inside the app, thus potentially reducing usage of AppleID? Although it wouldn't surprise me if Apple were to forbid apps that don't allow in-app sign-up.

Didn't Apple require that apps must allow for at least some functionality without external signup? I seem to recall that that was an issue for the "Hey" email client.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by giansegato »

askvictor wrote: post #31
lolinder wrote: post #18

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28323688 Linking this here from the other thread, because the above comment cites the actual court documents, which clear up a lot of confusion I'm seeing on this thread. Apple's concession only applies to communications outside of the app using contact information obtained outside of the app . (Which, yes, was somehow disallowed before.) If your user signed up through the app? To…

I wonder if this will lead to apps not allowing the initial sign-up inside the app, thus potentially reducing usage of AppleID? Although it wouldn't surprise me if Apple were to forbid apps that don't allow in-app sign-up.

A part from special cases (like bank apps), you have to always allow users to sign up in app. And if you allow to do that through identification providers other than email (eg. Google or FB), you have to provide Apple sign-in too.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by Grustaf »

dustyharddrive wrote: post #27

This is the worst tech news headline I’ve ever seen. The change the article is referring to is allowing developers to refer to non-IAP payments in communication with users outside the app (the fact that this was disallowed before blows my mind). This does absolutely nothing to change the in-app anti-steering rules Apple has. (edit: for clarity)

But I don’t get it, it has never been forbidden, isn’t that exactly how netflix and all other subscription business do it? Clearly they have communicated about the payment outside the app?

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by simion314 »

Grustaf wrote: post #34
dustyharddrive wrote: post #27

This is the worst tech news headline I’ve ever seen. The change the article is referring to is allowing developers to refer to non-IAP payments in communication with users outside the app (the fact that this was disallowed before blows my mind). This does absolutely nothing to change the in-app anti-steering rules Apple has. (edit: for clarity)

But I don’t get it, it has never been forbidden, isn’t that exactly how netflix and all other subscription business do it? Clearly they have communicated about the payment outside the app?

Apps were rejected if they had a link that would open a page that would give you the information that you have an option to get a cheaper price if you pay outside Apple. You can find on other comments (maybe on the other thread) the exact rule from Apple.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by Grustaf »

simion314 wrote: post #35
Grustaf wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I don’t get it, it has never been forbidden, isn’t that exactly how netflix and all other subscription business do it? Clearly they have communicated about the payment outside the app?

Apps were rejected if they had a link that would open a page that would give you the information that you have an option to get a cheaper price if you pay outside Apple. You can find on other comments (maybe on the other thread) the exact rule from Apple.

Yes of course, but that is surely still forbidden. The change is about communication outside the app.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by SilverRed »

dustyharddrive wrote: post #27

This is the worst tech news headline I’ve ever seen. The change the article is referring to is allowing developers to refer to non-IAP payments in communication with users outside the app (the fact that this was disallowed before blows my mind). This does absolutely nothing to change the in-app anti-steering rules Apple has. (edit: for clarity)

This is still a huge step even if not enough. It means that apps like spotify and netflix no longer have to have a screen saying "You can not continue via the app" and nothing more which is terrible UX.

"Head to spotify.com to set up a subscription" is much better UI.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by SilverRed »

Grustaf wrote: post #34
dustyharddrive wrote: post #27

This is the worst tech news headline I’ve ever seen. The change the article is referring to is allowing developers to refer to non-IAP payments in communication with users outside the app (the fact that this was disallowed before blows my mind). This does absolutely nothing to change the in-app anti-steering rules Apple has. (edit: for clarity)

But I don’t get it, it has never been forbidden, isn’t that exactly how netflix and all other subscription business do it? Clearly they have communicated about the payment outside the app?

Netflix and spotify dump you on a page which says "You can not continue via the app". They have not been allowed to tell you how you can continue to set up a payment, only that it can not be via the app. Now they can say go to this url to set it up.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by commoner »

croddin wrote: post #30
eclipxe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is unrelated

This is not the epic case, but now couldn’t epic direct users of fortnite to add credits to their account on epic’s website and bypass the apple tax, which is part of what epic wants out of their case?

Apple still forbids developers from mentioning or linking to less expensive ways to pay in the app, so Epic's complaint is still unsettled.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Post by SilverRed »

croddin wrote: post #30
eclipxe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is unrelated

This is not the epic case, but now couldn’t epic direct users of fortnite to add credits to their account on epic’s website and bypass the apple tax, which is part of what epic wants out of their case?

Yes but its is poor UI with extra friction. It's not so bad if you have a recurring subscription but it will kill you if you are trying to get users to manually pay regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if the drop in sales would account for more than the 30% fee.

This is actually a bit of a genius plan from Apple because it does not actually help epic but makes it look like they have no reason to complain now.

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