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Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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This happens to video games also. Publishers give review copies with microtransactions not included, the reviewers review it, and then shortly after release they add their free-to-play garbage so they get reviews that don't take the microtransactions into account and then they add it later. The also do it during ESRB submission to get around having to have a label that mentions in-game purchases. I'm surprised ESRB l…

What are those microtransactions doing? Crypto mining?

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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We only have 4 manufacturers of SSD drives who also making their own chips: Intel, Micron, Samsung, and SK Hynix. Here’s the table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solid-state_drive_manu... I tend to buy Samsung and Intel, both working well in my devices.

> I tend to buy Samsung and Intel, both working well in my devices. It's a generalisation, but be careful of using new Samsung consumer SATA drives (860, 870) if you're using Linux. The Linux kernel has workarounds in place for the older ones (840, 850 series). But the workarounds for the newer models are only starting to be looked at this week: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203475 Without those workaro…

Thanks for the warning. Fortunately, I’m unaffected because running Windows.

I’m running Linux on top in WSL1 and VMWare.

Also running Linux on ARM devices which have neither SATA nor PCIx. When I need fast disks in them to compile my C++ code, I simply use a network-mounted drive to build, gigabit LAN is good.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

#33

This happens to video games also. Publishers give review copies with microtransactions not included, the reviewers review it, and then shortly after release they add their free-to-play garbage so they get reviews that don't take the microtransactions into account and then they add it later. The also do it during ESRB submission to get around having to have a label that mentions in-game purchases. I'm surprised ESRB l…

ESRB is industry controlled iirc, and microtransations/lootboxes are a huge cash flow for the largest games companies

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They must have lost a fair amount of sales? I previously would never have considered buying Seagate, but since the debacle, when it came to replacing a failed drive in a ZFS array of WD Red CMR drives, I couldn't trust I'd get a drive that would actually resilver so I just replaced them all with Seagate IronWolf NAS drives. The ops team at my work also avoids WD now, and I no longer buy WD SSDs or external drives bec…

> They must have lost a fair amount of sales? (Anecdotally) Not from me. SMR or not, their easystore drives that you can shuck are cheap . Between buying a cheap drive and buying something else, I like to spend less money, so I'd choose the easystores. Granted, I don't know how much has changed with the easystores since the SMR debacle since I've not really been in the hard drive market for a while.

AFAIK people who were pissed about the reds getting switched to SMR are disjoint from the people who shuck stuff. The latter group usually verifies the drives that they get, because you're not guaranteed to get a drive when shucking.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's at least in part because everyone understands (or thinks they understand) 0-60 times for cars. But when you start talking about multi-level caches single-level cell memory and the shingled magnetic recording debacle and get down to 02031 1T00 SanDisk Flash vs 60523 1T00 SanDisk Flash chips and continuous writing performance of more than 12 GB, eyes begin to glaze over. For most consumers, it's a black bo…

> eyes begin to glaze over This argument is not especially helpful as a defense against a claim of fraud. It does nothing to explain why you'd give reviewers devices with different performance than the devices you sell.

You are going to get into the same debate had decades ago about hard drive size. Base 2 for techs vs base 10 for average consumers.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Unbelievable, but is there a datasheet available and does the datasheet have read/write speed figures?

Edit: [1] The datasheet shows "up to" speeds, which means that it is the disk cache speed and not the NAND speed? Quite disappointing.

[1] https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library...

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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post #31

This happens to video games also. Publishers give review copies with microtransactions not included, the reviewers review it, and then shortly after release they add their free-to-play garbage so they get reviews that don't take the microtransactions into account and then they add it later. The also do it during ESRB submission to get around having to have a label that mentions in-game purchases. I'm surprised ESRB l…

What are those microtransactions doing? Crypto mining?

The reviewers get sent an account with everything enabled, and have a great time playing as Darth Vader Or Han Solo Or Whatever.

The general public buy the game, and find if you want to play as Darth Vader or Han Solo unlocking them costs $20 each.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Why is this not fraud? If you as a company source a device for reviewers and then change the specs in a way that you do not communicate, that is intent to defraud. If you bought a corvette because all the car reviews said it went 0-60 in 5 seconds, and then you buy one and it takes 10 seconds to do the same thing, you’d have a pretty good argument - especially if everyone else experienced your same situation. I’d be…

You are right - it should be treated as fraud. It's a common business practice nowadays to bait and switch - first release good quality products, get good reviews for it and then use those good reviews to market your product. And after it has sold a certain quantity and established a brand value, start using cheaper and inferior quality components and extract more profit.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Ship the top tier hardware NVME drives to reviewers, wait a few months then start swapping out slower memory chips, controllers, go through multiple revisions while keeping the same name so when gamers look for reviews they see blinding speeds only to be duped. It's incredible what drive manufacturers are getting away with.

I've also seen this happen with laptops. They'll have a decent Samsung NVMe SSD when reviewers get their hands on the devices, but then after release, they switch it out for a cheaper one that performs much worse, particularly in longer workloads.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are those microtransactions doing? Crypto mining?

The reviewers get sent an account with everything enabled, and have a great time playing as Darth Vader Or Han Solo Or Whatever. The general public buy the game, and find if you want to play as Darth Vader or Han Solo unlocking them costs $20 each.

Or playing for hundreds of hours per unlock
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