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Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know about mathematical, but I’ve always thought of it as a vertical vs horizontal motion with the front foot used as as kind of rotation axis for an impossible… “I know it when I see it” (maybe)

Yeah for sure, the way the foot wraps with the board is the visual cue. It has led me and friends to some fun debates in a game of skate i.e. "that wasn't an impossible", so I was hoping to be able to point to some ridiculous mathematical definition the next time it comes up.

Somewhere out there Rodney Mullen smiles quietly :)

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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Here's a fun one to debate with your skate friends, nollie and fakie tricks are "swapped".

For example:

- nollie fs 180 and fakie fs 180 (fs half cab) are two different directions: nollie fs 180 is in front of you and fakie fs 180 is behind you going blind

- nollie 5-0 and fakie 5-0 (fakie switch nosegrind) lean differently on the grind: nollie 5-0 you pop off your nose and land on your back truck, fakie 5-0 you pop off your tail and land on your front truck

- nollie noseslide and fakie noseslide are different motions to get into the slide: nollie nose you pop off nose and land on the nose in the ledge, fakie nose you pop off tail and land on the nose but you do a sort of half cab

The key distinction in the argument is that in fakie, your tail is always considered your "tail". Therefore you treat any derived tricks as being "backwards". In the 5-0 and noseslide examples, you're still popping off the front of your board, but you classify it as nose or tail based on if it's nollie or fakie.

There are caveats though such as "fakie crook" where if you kept the rule it should be "fakie suski", which no one says.

There's a million arbitrary and nonsensical rules in skateboarding which is part of the reason to love it, especially for something that "has no rules".

And remember, never carry your board by your truck :)

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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Reminds me of this (less math-heavy!) analysis of "Skateboarding Science" about Rodney Mullen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFRPhi0jhGc

Rodney has a great TED Talk where he aptly compared the skateboarding and open-source communities: https://youtu.be/3GVO-MfIl1Q?t=741

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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Here's a fun one to debate with your skate friends, nollie and fakie tricks are "swapped". For example: - nollie fs 180 and fakie fs 180 (fs half cab) are two different directions: nollie fs 180 is in front of you and fakie fs 180 is behind you going blind - nollie 5-0 and fakie 5-0 (fakie switch nosegrind) lean differently on the grind: nollie 5-0 you pop off your nose and land on your back truck, fakie 5-0 you pop…

Ah don't forget the same variation of foolery that comes around if you 180 into a grind.

What most people would call a nose grind or 5-0 is inverted if you 180'd into it.

> And remember, never carry your board by your truck :)

I miss skateboarding :). My ankles don't though.

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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Here's a fun one to debate with your skate friends, nollie and fakie tricks are "swapped". For example: - nollie fs 180 and fakie fs 180 (fs half cab) are two different directions: nollie fs 180 is in front of you and fakie fs 180 is behind you going blind - nollie 5-0 and fakie 5-0 (fakie switch nosegrind) lean differently on the grind: nollie 5-0 you pop off your nose and land on your back truck, fakie 5-0 you pop…

Mall grabs are okay as long as you just tried something huge: https://youtu.be/THcnby6b6sY?t=88

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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So if I understand correctly, letting “~” denote homotopy equivalence,

  Kickflip ~ 360 shove it

  Ollie ~ 720 shove it ~ double kickflip

I may have missed it in the paper, but does anyone have intuition about how to visualize these homotopies? I don’t get how to continuously deform a 720 shove it into an Ollie.

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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post #34

Here's a fun one to debate with your skate friends, nollie and fakie tricks are "swapped". For example: - nollie fs 180 and fakie fs 180 (fs half cab) are two different directions: nollie fs 180 is in front of you and fakie fs 180 is behind you going blind - nollie 5-0 and fakie 5-0 (fakie switch nosegrind) lean differently on the grind: nollie 5-0 you pop off your nose and land on your back truck, fakie 5-0 you pop…

Ah don't forget the same variation of foolery that comes around if you 180 into a grind. What most people would call a nose grind or 5-0 is inverted if you 180'd into it. > And remember, never carry your board by your truck :) I miss skateboarding :). My ankles don't though.

Ah yes! and

One of my other favorites:

On circle rails there is "no such thing" as fs overcrook, just fs nosegrind, and there is no such thing as bs nosegrind, but there is bs overcrook.

At least that's how magazines seem to classify it.

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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Here's a fun one to debate with your skate friends, nollie and fakie tricks are "swapped". For example: - nollie fs 180 and fakie fs 180 (fs half cab) are two different directions: nollie fs 180 is in front of you and fakie fs 180 is behind you going blind - nollie 5-0 and fakie 5-0 (fakie switch nosegrind) lean differently on the grind: nollie 5-0 you pop off your nose and land on your back truck, fakie 5-0 you pop…

never push mongo too

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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Here's a fun one to debate with your skate friends, nollie and fakie tricks are "swapped". For example: - nollie fs 180 and fakie fs 180 (fs half cab) are two different directions: nollie fs 180 is in front of you and fakie fs 180 is behind you going blind - nollie 5-0 and fakie 5-0 (fakie switch nosegrind) lean differently on the grind: nollie 5-0 you pop off your nose and land on your back truck, fakie 5-0 you pop…

never push mongo too

*Unless it's switch mongo and you're Koston, Rodrigo TX, or Stevie Williams

Re: Skateboard Tricks and Topological Flips

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post #9

So what are the 4 tricks? Kickflip, heelflip, flip + shove it in the "natural direction" (e.g. varial kickflip, 360 kickflip), and flip + shove it in the unnatural direction (e.g. hard flip)?

I'm guessing it's kickflip, heelflip, bs shuv, and fs shuv. Your definition leaves out varial heels and inward heels. Edit: On second thought I'm still not sure, I saw this in the paper, and I'm guessing they're classifying both direction shuvs as the same, and kick/heelflip as the same Below we list these four tricks with their corresponding residue class in Z/4Z. 0 ↔ Ollie 1 ↔ 180 Shove-it 2 ↔ 360 Shove-it 3 ↔ 540…

The main result of the paper seems to be saying that kickflips and heelflips are homotopic, and therefore equivalent. Fs shove it is just the inverse of a pop shove it.
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