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Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by jeppesen-io »

pkulak wrote: post #23
jeppesen-io wrote: post #21

I know a pipedream, but if apple provided the docs and drivers for Linux on m1, it would really cement the current defacto standard of a MacBook as the development laptop of choice Amazing progress - but I wonder if getting accelerated gui is 10x the current effort No skin in the game, but can't wait to see how this progresses

I’m pretty sure if you’re not signed into iCloud, you’re of no use to Apple. They’d probably prefer folks not buy their hardware just to wipe it.

I think that's a little dramatic and lacking nuance, but I can't disagree

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

jeppesen-io wrote: post #29
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure that after paying Apple ~$1700 for a M1 MacBook Air, they not only don't care if I don't sign into iCloud, they don't care if I smash it repeatedly with rocks. They have the money already.

> They have the money already. Not how a publicly traded company works. Broadly speaking, services are becoming a larger and larger part of apples bottom line

Yes, I know. I also know that if you look at the numbers Apple still makes the majority of their income on hardware. By a lot. (Like, 79% to 21% as of the last reported quarter.) Maybe one day this will not be true, but that day is not today, and it is unlikely to be a day next year, or the year after that, or the year after that.

In any case, I was making a dry joke about Apple not wanting your money if you weren't signed into iCloud, because how all companies, private or public, work generally includes "this person giving us some money may not be as good as this person giving us more money, but is obviously better than this person giving us no money at all." One day I will learn that dry humor rarely flies on Hacker News, but that day is not today, and it is unlikely to be a day next year, or the year after that, or the year after that. So it goes.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by watermelon0 »

nixpulvis wrote: post #26
pkulak wrote: post #24

I’m so worried this project will get 95% of the way there, and then all the fun issues will run out and the M1 will be just another MacBook with WiFi, Bluetooth and sleep issues. The obvious issue is to pay someone to do the work, and I am, but I still can’t shake the fear.

I wonder why we even bother trying to support these hardware vendors sometimes. I have been trying really hard to simply not deal with them for my own sanity. Are we not simply letting the leash out further for what we will accept and buy? Are we truly that powerless against the market forces which drive HW/OS sales?

For some people it's a nice challenge to tackle.

Additionally, M1 is currently best? platform when comparing performance with power usage, and (at least MBA) comes in a great form factor. AFAIK there is no comparable device that has decent support for Linux.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by watermelon0 »

jeppesen-io wrote: post #21

I know a pipedream, but if apple provided the docs and drivers for Linux on m1, it would really cement the current defacto standard of a MacBook as the development laptop of choice Amazing progress - but I wonder if getting accelerated gui is 10x the current effort No skin in the game, but can't wait to see how this progresses

Apple is not known to provide any documentation, and it's incredibly hard to get Linux running since the introduction of T1 chips.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by diragon »

nixpulvis wrote: post #26
pkulak wrote: post #24

I’m so worried this project will get 95% of the way there, and then all the fun issues will run out and the M1 will be just another MacBook with WiFi, Bluetooth and sleep issues. The obvious issue is to pay someone to do the work, and I am, but I still can’t shake the fear.

I wonder why we even bother trying to support these hardware vendors sometimes. I have been trying really hard to simply not deal with them for my own sanity. Are we not simply letting the leash out further for what we will accept and buy? Are we truly that powerless against the market forces which drive HW/OS sales?

Currently probably because M1 is absurdly better than the competition. They will certainly draw users away from Linux unless either this porting effort gets done, or unless other ARM options that support Linux better become available.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by ccakes »

_ZeD_ wrote: post #28
jeppesen-io wrote: post #21

I know a pipedream, but if apple provided the docs and drivers for Linux on m1, it would really cement the current defacto standard of a MacBook as the development laptop of choice Amazing progress - but I wonder if getting accelerated gui is 10x the current effort No skin in the game, but can't wait to see how this progresses

> the current defacto standard of a MacBook as the development laptop of choice the problem with that is that the macbook hardware sucks. a lot.

The number of developers on Macbooks suggests that there are differing yet equally valid opinions out there.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by sharikone »

watermelon0 wrote: post #35
jeppesen-io wrote: post #21

I know a pipedream, but if apple provided the docs and drivers for Linux on m1, it would really cement the current defacto standard of a MacBook as the development laptop of choice Amazing progress - but I wonder if getting accelerated gui is 10x the current effort No skin in the game, but can't wait to see how this progresses

Apple is not known to provide any documentation, and it's incredibly hard to get Linux running since the introduction of T1 chips.

That's something that changed for the worse in the last decades. In the 2000's Apple documentation was terrific.

It puzzles me how things like that go. Google and Microsoft improved their developer documentation in the last years

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by orthoxerox »

supperburg wrote: post #32

Wow going through this persons online presence, she is astoundingly prolific. Transgender, as well.

There seems to be a lot of trans folks doing crazy tech stuff. Her, the Perl 6 on Haskell woman, the actually portable executable woman, byuu (RIP), etc.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by mjg59 »

watermelon0 wrote: post #35
jeppesen-io wrote: post #21

I know a pipedream, but if apple provided the docs and drivers for Linux on m1, it would really cement the current defacto standard of a MacBook as the development laptop of choice Amazing progress - but I wonder if getting accelerated gui is 10x the current effort No skin in the game, but can't wait to see how this progresses

Apple is not known to provide any documentation, and it's incredibly hard to get Linux running since the introduction of T1 chips.

The T1 had zero impact whatsoever on getting Linux running. The T2 did, but only because Apple's NVMe implementation wasn't quite spec compliant. The trouble we've had with Apple hardware other than that is that Apple have made whatever design choices suit them best rather than following any external standards.
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